What Is God Made From?

[BeRational]

Yes, all humans are fallible, including Moses and the other authors of the Jewish bible, including the writers of the New Testament gospels, including Paul, including Jesus, including Mohammed, including me, including you, including the Pope, even including Shaker. Oh, hang on a minute.  Here's my rule of thumb : the greater an idea's dependence on a single authority for its veracity, the likelier it is to be wrong. I think it a healthy mindset to acknowledge one's limits.

But Jesus was not just human - He was God made man.
"... and the Word became flesh and lived among us"
This is the whole basis of Christianity.
If I did not believe this, I would not be a Christian.

Why would you believe this, and not every other myth?

[floo]

Just imagine what our lives would be like if Jesus had not come to save us.  Western civilisation was founded on the teachings of the new testament.  Without Him we would most likely have drifted into a dreadful self centred culture dominated by fear.

You reckon? Actually Christianity has been a force for a lot of nastiness throughout the centuries, if you read your history books!

So which non-Christian culture would you prefer to have been born into?

I would much prefer it if I had NEVER  heard of Jesus, the guy never did me any favours!

He played a major part in the culture you were brought up in, so if you reject this as a 'non desirable favour', which non-Christian culture would you prefer?

Jesus is long dead, it was his name which played a major part in Christian culture. I would prefer a secular culture if there is one!

[Alan Burns]

But Jesus was not just human - He was God made man.
"... and the Word became flesh and lived among us"
This is the whole basis of Christianity.
If I did not believe this, I would not be a Christian.

Why would you believe this, and not every other myth?

The other 'myths' are man made attempts at trying to know God.
God made Himself known to me through Jesus

[floo]

But Jesus was not just human - He was God made man.
"... and the Word became flesh and lived among us"
This is the whole basis of Christianity.
If I did not believe this, I would not be a Christian.

Why would you believe this, and not every other myth?

The other 'myths' are man made attempts at trying to know God.
God made Himself known to me through Jesus
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! You have no idea if what was claimed for Jesus has any veracity!

[Alan Burns]

Just imagine what our lives would be like if Jesus had not come to save us.  Western civilisation was founded on the teachings of the new testament.  Without Him we would most likely have drifted into a dreadful self centred culture dominated by fear.

You reckon? Actually Christianity has been a force for a lot of nastiness throughout the centuries, if you read your history books!

So which non-Christian culture would you prefer to have been born into?

I would much prefer it if I had NEVER  heard of Jesus, the guy never did me any favours!

He played a major part in the culture you were brought up in, so if you reject this as a 'non desirable favour', which non-Christian culture would you prefer?

Jesus is long dead, it was his name which played a major part in Christian culture. I would prefer a secular culture if there is one!

You could try North Korea

[BeRational]

But Jesus was not just human - He was God made man.
"... and the Word became flesh and lived among us"
This is the whole basis of Christianity.
If I did not believe this, I would not be a Christian.

Why would you believe this, and not every other myth?

The other 'myths' are man made attempts at trying to know God.
God made Himself known to me through Jesus

But that is just a myth!

As I say, why do you believe this myth but dismiss all others.

[floo]

Just imagine what our lives would be like if Jesus had not come to save us.  Western civilisation was founded on the teachings of the new testament.  Without Him we would most likely have drifted into a dreadful self centred culture dominated by fear.

You reckon? Actually Christianity has been a force for a lot of nastiness throughout the centuries, if you read your history books!

So which non-Christian culture would you prefer to have been born into?

I would much prefer it if I had NEVER  heard of Jesus, the guy never did me any favours!

He played a major part in the culture you were brought up in, so if you reject this as a 'non desirable favour', which non-Christian culture would you prefer?

Jesus is long dead, it was his name which played a major part in Christian culture. I would prefer a secular culture if there is one!

You could try North Korea

Don't be silly. The UK suits me very well as OTT religion is not in your face in the political sphere, as it is in the US of A!

[torridon]

Yes, all humans are fallible, including Moses and the other authors of the Jewish bible, including the writers of the New Testament gospels, including Paul, including Jesus, including Mohammed, including me, including you, including the Pope, even including Shaker. Oh, hang on a minute.  Here's my rule of thumb : the greater an idea's dependence on a single authority for its veracity, the likelier it is to be wrong. I think it a healthy mindset to acknowledge one's limits.

But Jesus was not just human - He was God made man.
"... and the Word became flesh and lived among us"
This is the whole basis of Christianity.
If I did not believe this, I would not be a Christian.

 ... and by becoming human he would become fallible, that's just as much a part of being human as anything else. I suppose you could use that to explain why he lost his temper with the money changers in the temple, or why he gave some random Greek woman a mouthful of racist abuse before thinking better of it. And maybe why he thought he was going to return before the last apostle died, something else he got wrong. There you go, I am generous today.

[Alan Burns]

But Jesus was not just human - He was God made man.
"... and the Word became flesh and lived among us"
This is the whole basis of Christianity.
If I did not believe this, I would not be a Christian.

Why would you believe this, and not every other myth?

The other 'myths' are man made attempts at trying to know God.
God made Himself known to me through Jesus

But that is just a myth!

As I say, why do you believe this myth but dismiss all others.

A myth can't make itself known

[BeRational]

But Jesus was not just human - He was God made man.
"... and the Word became flesh and lived among us"
This is the whole basis of Christianity.
If I did not believe this, I would not be a Christian.

Why would you believe this, and not every other myth?

The other 'myths' are man made attempts at trying to know God.
God made Himself known to me through Jesus

But that is just a myth!

As I say, why do you believe this myth but dismiss all others.

A myth can't make itself known

N ot sure what you mean. Others myths are known so you must be wrong.

You seem to just assume that the myth of Jesus is a fact, when it is not.

It is just a myth like all the others.

[torridon]

[The other 'myths' are man made attempts at trying to know God.
God made Himself known to me through Jesus

Notwithstanding of course the fact that you are human, and therefore fallible, and therefore just as likely as anyone else to misinterpret world history or indeed their own personal experience.

[Alan Burns]

N ot sure what you mean. Others myths are known so you must be wrong.

You seem to just assume that the myth of Jesus is a fact, when it is not.

It is just a myth like all the others.

There is a difference between being known, (like I know of Islam) and something making itself known.

A fairly common theme amongst many Christians is their witness that it was God who came to them.  They were not actively seeking God.

Other religions are generally adopted by personal choice or indoctrination.

[Gordon]

N ot sure what you mean. Others myths are known so you must be wrong.

You seem to just assume that the myth of Jesus is a fact, when it is not.

It is just a myth like all the others.

There is a difference between being known, (like I know of Islam) and something making itself known.

A fairly common theme amongst many Christians is their witness that it was God who came to them.  They were not actively seeking God.

Other All religions are generally adopted by personal choice or indoctrination.

Fify

[Walt Zingmatilder]

N ot sure what you mean. Others myths are known so you must be wrong.

You seem to just assume that the myth of Jesus is a fact, when it is not.

It is just a myth like all the others.

There is a difference between being known, (like I know of Islam) and something making itself known.

A fairly common theme amongst many Christians is their witness that it was God who came to them.  They were not actively seeking God.

Other All religions are generally adopted by personal choice or indoctrination.

Fify

Talking testes again Gordon?....or is it just ''The Life of Goron'' projected onto the human race.

[Gordon]

N ot sure what you mean. Others myths are known so you must be wrong.

You seem to just assume that the myth of Jesus is a fact, when it is not.

It is just a myth like all the others.

There is a difference between being known, (like I know of Islam) and something making itself known.

A fairly common theme amongst many Christians is their witness that it was God who came to them.  They were not actively seeking God.

Other All religions are generally adopted by personal choice or indoctrination.

Fify

Talking testes again Gordon?....or is it just ''The Life of Goron'' projected onto the human race.

I see your random sentence generator is working again, Vlad.

[BashfulAnthony]

N ot sure what you mean. Others myths are known so you must be wrong.

You seem to just assume that the myth of Jesus is a fact, when it is not.

It is just a myth like all the others.

There is a difference between being known, (like I know of Islam) and something making itself known.

A fairly common theme amongst many Christians is their witness that it was God who came to them.  They were not actively seeking God.

Other All religions are generally adopted by personal choice or indoctrination.

Fify

Talking testes again Gordon?....or is it just ''The Life of Goron'' projected onto the human race.

I see your random sentence generator is working again, Vlad.

Isn't that the device invented by that well-known atheist, Morey Bund?

[jeremyp]

The other 'myths' are man made attempts at trying to know God.
God made Himself known to me through Jesus

I see special pleading. 

Jesus the God-man is as much a myth as Mohammed the Prophet.

[2Corrie]

N ot sure what you mean. Others myths are known so you must be wrong.

You seem to just assume that the myth of Jesus is a fact, when it is not.

It is just a myth like all the others.

There is a difference between being known, (like I know of Islam) and something making itself known.

A fairly common theme amongst many Christians is their witness that it was God who came to them.  They were not actively seeking God.

Yep.


"Jesus sought me when a stranger, wandering from the fold of God.
  He to rescue me from danger, interposed His precious blood."

(From 'Come now Fount of Every Blessing').

[torridon]

There is a difference between being known, (like I know of Islam) and something making itself known.

A fairly common theme amongst many Christians is their witness that it was God who came to them.  They were not actively seeking God.

Yep.

"Jesus sought me when a stranger, wandering from the fold of God.
  He to rescue me from danger, interposed His precious blood."

Doesn't make sense. That would be inconsistent with a benign god.  An all loving god would not pick certain individuals to rescue whilst leaving others out in the cold.  That would be a recipe for confusion.  There has to be a truer explanation for why some individuals have this feeling of being 'chosen'

[Leonard James]

There has to be a truer explanation for why some individuals have this feeling of being 'chosen'

There is! It's called auto-delusion. We all know we are different in some way or other, it's part of our individuality. Believing oneself to be 'chosen' is probably just an ego-bolstering form of being different. 

[ippy]

There has to be a truer explanation for why some individuals have this feeling of being 'chosen'

There is! It's called auto-delusion. We all know we are different in some way or other, it's part of our individuality. Believing oneself to be 'chosen' is probably just an ego-bolstering form of being different. 

Not necessarily.

ippy

[jeremyp]

There has to be a truer explanation for why some individuals have this feeling of being 'chosen'

There is! It's called auto-delusion. We all know we are different in some way or other, it's part of our individuality. Believing oneself to be 'chosen' is probably just an ego-bolstering form of being different. 

Not necessarily.

ippy

True  José Mourhino probably is the best manager there is.

[floo]

Yes, all humans are fallible, including Moses and the other authors of the Jewish bible, including the writers of the New Testament gospels, including Paul, including Jesus, including Mohammed, including me, including you, including the Pope, even including Shaker. Oh, hang on a minute.  Here's my rule of thumb : the greater an idea's dependence on a single authority for its veracity, the likelier it is to be wrong. I think it a healthy mindset to acknowledge one's limits.

But Jesus was not just human - He was God made man.
"... and the Word became flesh and lived among us"
This is the whole basis of Christianity.
If I did not believe this, I would not be a Christian.

There is not the slightest bit of  verifiable evidence to suggest that Jesus was anything but human, with the same faults and failings as the rest of us.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Yes, all humans are fallible, including Moses and the other authors of the Jewish bible, including the writers of the New Testament gospels, including Paul, including Jesus, including Mohammed, including me, including you, including the Pope, even including Shaker. Oh, hang on a minute.  Here's my rule of thumb : the greater an idea's dependence on a single authority for its veracity, the likelier it is to be wrong. I think it a healthy mindset to acknowledge one's limits.

But Jesus was not just human - He was God made man.
"... and the Word became flesh and lived among us"
This is the whole basis of Christianity.
If I did not believe this, I would not be a Christian.

There is not the slightest bit of  verifiable evidence to suggest that Jesus was anything but human, with the same faults and failings as the rest of us.

However he has obviously said something deep and existential which has got you rattled.

[ippy]

Yes, all humans are fallible, including Moses and the other authors of the Jewish bible, including the writers of the New Testament gospels, including Paul, including Jesus, including Mohammed, including me, including you, including the Pope, even including Shaker. Oh, hang on a minute.  Here's my rule of thumb : the greater an idea's dependence on a single authority for its veracity, the likelier it is to be wrong. I think it a healthy mindset to acknowledge one's limits.

But Jesus was not just human - He was God made man.
"... and the Word became flesh and lived among us"
This is the whole basis of Christianity.
If I did not believe this, I would not be a Christian.

There is not the slightest bit of  verifiable evidence to suggest that Jesus was anything but human, with the same faults and failings as the rest of us.

However he has obviously said something deep and existential which has got you rattled.

He's not obviously said anything, of course he could have existed and if he existed he could have said these things but the fact that he ever existed hasn't been established.

The words in the manual that professes to have recorded his words might be deep and existential, for bronze age, little more than goat herders.

ippy