The result of the EU referendum:

[Nearly Sane]

The jerrymandered rules of the referendum will exclude a Member of the Scottish Parliament from voting in it, but will allow an Irish or Maltese?

And we're supposed to respect the criminals in Westminster?
http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-politics/french-born-snp-msp-its-a-democratic-disgrace-that-i-cant-vote-in-eu-refe.1432560308

That it is the GE electoral roll is not gerrymandering, it is a valid choice, just may not be the right or sensible one

[jeremyp]

The jerrymandered rules of the referendum will exclude a Member of the Scottish Parliament from voting in it, but will allow an Irish or Maltese?

And we're supposed to respect the criminals in Westminster?
http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/scottish-politics/french-born-snp-msp-its-a-democratic-disgrace-that-i-cant-vote-in-eu-refe.1432560308

I'd have more respect for you, if you didn't frame every point using ridiculous inflammatory language that tries to blame evil Westminster.  Yes we get that you hate the English, please shut up about it now.

Calling this "jerrymandered" [sic] is nonsense.  They are saying the rules for the electorate will be broadly in line with the rules for General Elections.  I happen to agree that the rules are wrong, anybody over 18 who pays taxes to the UK government (as your French born MSP does) should certainly be allowed to vote.  But this really isn't an evil plot.

[Anchorman]

But, jeremy, this has nothing to do with the English.
Last time I looked, Westminster was capital of a collection of nations called  the United Kingdom.
Am I mistaken in this?
Please point out any post I have ever made on this forum which is anti-English.
I can point out hundreds which are anti-Westminster.
The two are not synonymous.

By the way, here's another anti -Westminsrter rant for you.
If these daft referendum rules are put in place, my newly elected MP's wife will not be allowed to vote in it...even though she's been married to him for over ten years.

[Nearly Sane]

And of course Christian Allard who is an MSP isn't allowed to vote. It makes sense to me to have the same electoral roll as for European elections but then I would be happier if we had a consistent electoral roll for elections

[jeremyp]

But, jeremy, this has nothing to do with the English.

Last time I looked, Westminster was capital of a collection of nations called  the United Kingdom.

Of course it is and it has its share of Scottish MPs.  But you seem to take every opportunity to diss it.

If these daft referendum rules are put in place, my newly elected MP's wife will not be allowed to vote in it...even though she's been married to him for over ten years.

It is the same as the general election rules.  She wasn't allowed to vote in those either.  I agree that the rule is wrong, but this is not an attempt to bias the result. 

[Anchorman]

So, unable to find any evidence for your assertion that I 'hate the English', jeremyP?
I'll happily own up to a healthy disrespect to all things Westminster, though.
The rUK wanted us Scots there....they'll have to live with the disrespect, disdain and derision we heap upon their tradition bound absurdity.

[BashfulAnthony]

So, unable to find any evidence for your assertion that I 'hate the English', jeremyP?
I'll happily own up to a healthy disrespect to all things Westminster, though.
The rUK wanted us Scots there....they'll have to live with the disrespect, disdain and derision we heap upon their tradition bound absurdity.

Apparently our Scottish friends in the new Parliament, or rather some of them, have been behaving with something less than suitable decorum.  I guess it was only to be expected, with the above mind-set.  However, I would have thought they might have represented their constituents, who voted to be part of the UK, with a little more maturity.

[Nearly Sane]

So, unable to find any evidence for your assertion that I 'hate the English', jeremyP?
I'll happily own up to a healthy disrespect to all things Westminster, though.
The rUK wanted us Scots there....they'll have to live with the disrespect, disdain and derision we heap upon their tradition bound absurdity.

Apparently our Scottish friends in the new Parliament, or rather some of them, have been behaving with something less than suitable decorum.  I guess it was only to be expected, with the above mind-set.  However, I would have thought they might have represented their constituents, who voted to be part of the UK, with a little more maturity.

Ah reading the Daily Mail again

[BashfulAnthony]

So, unable to find any evidence for your assertion that I 'hate the English', jeremyP?
I'll happily own up to a healthy disrespect to all things Westminster, though.
The rUK wanted us Scots there....they'll have to live with the disrespect, disdain and derision we heap upon their tradition bound absurdity.

Apparently our Scottish friends in the new Parliament, or rather some of them, have been behaving with something less than suitable decorum.  I guess it was only to be expected, with the above mind-set.  However, I would have thought they might have represented their constituents, who voted to be part of the UK, with a little more maturity.

Ah reading the Daily Mail again

No, it was related in detail on Yahoo.  But there are several other sources:  the Telegraph is one:

www.theguardian.com/.../sir-gerald-kaufman-labour-snp-mps-goons- commons-behaviour‎

[Nearly Sane]

So, unable to find any evidence for your assertion that I 'hate the English', jeremyP?
I'll happily own up to a healthy disrespect to all things Westminster, though.
The rUK wanted us Scots there....they'll have to live with the disrespect, disdain and derision we heap upon their tradition bound absurdity.

Apparently our Scottish friends in the new Parliament, or rather some of them, have been behaving with something less than suitable decorum.  I guess it was only to be expected, with the above mind-set.  However, I would have thought they might have represented their constituents, who voted to be part of the UK, with a little more maturity.

Ah reading the Daily Mail again

No, it was related in detail on Yahoo.

And pray tell us all of the dreadful behaviour

[BashfulAnthony]

So, unable to find any evidence for your assertion that I 'hate the English', jeremyP?
I'll happily own up to a healthy disrespect to all things Westminster, though.
The rUK wanted us Scots there....they'll have to live with the disrespect, disdain and derision we heap upon their tradition bound absurdity.

See, above link.

Apparently our Scottish friends in the new Parliament, or rather some of them, have been behaving with something less than suitable decorum.  I guess it was only to be expected, with the above mind-set.  However, I would have thought they might have represented their constituents, who voted to be part of the UK, with a little more maturity.

Ah reading the Daily Mail again

No, it was related in detail on Yahoo.

And pray tell us all of the dreadful behaviour

[Anchorman]

What's wrong with treating the whole tradition bound absurdity with the disdain it deserves, BA?
When self-confessed liars such as Carmichael are addressed as r;right honourable gentlemen' when they are nothing of the sort, or 650 members try to plant their backsides in a leather clad playpen designed in 1945 to be too small for them, why shouldn't we treat the whole farce with contempt?

[Nearly Sane]

Ah yes dear old Gerald, Diane Abbott thinks he was wrong on this. But then, discourse, the standards of behaviour in the Commons is always so grown up and respectful.

[Nearly Sane]

Anyway, what about the electoral roll?

[BashfulAnthony]

What's wrong with treating the whole tradition bound absurdity with the disdain it deserves, BA?
When self-confessed liars such as Carmichael are addressed as r;right honourable gentlemen' when they are nothing of the sort, or 650 members try to plant their backsides in a leather clad playpen designed in 1945 to be too small for them, why shouldn't we treat the whole farce with contempt?

Parliament is their to represent the people.  To treat it with derision is to deride the people.  If the SNP, in it's minority, considers it absurd, then they are free to use their democratically held mandate to campaign for change.  Their reported conduct is infantile and disrespectful to this country as a whole. 

[jakswan]

What's wrong with treating the whole tradition bound absurdity with the disdain it deserves, BA?
When self-confessed liars such as Carmichael are addressed as r;right honourable gentlemen' when they are nothing of the sort, or 650 members try to plant their backsides in a leather clad playpen designed in 1945 to be too small for them, why shouldn't we treat the whole farce with contempt?

Parliament is their to represent the people.  To treat it with derision is to deride the people.  If the SNP, in it's minority, considers it absurd, then they are free to use their democratically held mandate to campaign for change.  Their reported conduct is infantile and disrespectful to this country as a whole.

I think in a democracy its fine, just replace Westminster with Brussels in every AM rant and the same POV will be aired when in comes to the EU referendum.

[Anchorman]

BA:
Are you seriously suggesting that we treat a parliament whose traditions harp back to a pre-existing legislature of one of the component parts of this so-called UK, while ignoring the other pre-existing legislatures, with anything other than contempt?
Here's stuff from the Torygraph which illustrates my point.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10223664/Traditions-of-the-House-of-Commons.html

On Thursday, the puppet show which has NOTHING to do with a United Kingdom will take place. Black rod will summon the plebs to meet the champagne charlies in their tinsel clad reception area for coffin dodgers.
Lizzie will do her ventriloquist dummy act wearing a bit of bling on her bonce, etc.
That has absolutely no connection with events after the so-called "Act of Union" of 1707.
Why should cash be wasted on it today?

[BashfulAnthony]

BA:
Are you seriously suggesting that we treat a parliament whose traditions harp back to a pre-existing legislature of one of the component parts of this so-called UK, while ignoring the other pre-existing legislatures, with anything other than contempt?
Here's stuff from the Torygraph which illustrates my point.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10223664/Traditions-of-the-House-of-Commons.html

On Thursday, the puppet show which has NOTHING to do with a United Kingdom will take place. Black rod will summon the plebs to meet the champagne charlies in their tinsel clad reception area for coffin dodgers.
Lizzie will do her ventriloquist dummy act wearing a bit of bling on her bonce, etc.
That has absolutely no connection with events after the so-called "Act of Union" of 1707.
Why should cash be wasted on it today?

Your answer is silly and immature.  How would you feel if a bunch of MP's from England went up to your Parliament and made fun of it's procedures?  Those SNP Members were simply cocking a snook at England, and succeeded only in making themselves look like 6th formers, if that's not an insult to the average 6th former!

[Nearly Sane]

It is our parliament as well. Anyway the electoral roll?

[Anchorman]

'cocking a snook' at the English?
Er.....you do know that three of those SNP MP's are English by birth, don't you, BA?
Were the SNP  deriding an English parliament or English institution, it would be contemptible and totally wrong.
As far as I am aware, though, there is no English parliament....though I believe there should be.
Therefore the members are within their right to poke fun at a system long bereft of dignity and relevance.

[Hope]

The result of the EU referendum is a foregone conclusion: Stay in and come out.

If the general election result was due to a desire for the status quo then We will vote to stay in.

On the other hand if it was due to English nationalism then we will vote to come out.

Not necessarily, Vlad.  If the result is due to English nationalism, it might well be to stay in  but under policies that better serve the people of Europe, rather than just the people of Germany and France.

[Hope]

'cocking a snook' at the English?
Er.....you do know that three of those SNP MP's are English by birth, don't you, BA?
Were the SNP  deriding an English parliament or English institution, it would be contemptible and totally wrong.
As far as I am aware, though, there is no English parliament....though I believe there should be.
Therefore the members are within their right to poke fun at a system long bereft of dignity and relevance.

Jim, is the Scottish Parliament, the Welsh Senedd or Stormont of any relevance to those parts of the UK that aren't run by those authorities?  Are you telling us that those places have no tradition - even 17 short years after their establishment?

[jakswan]

Were the SNP  deriding an English parliament or English institution, it would be contemptible and totally wrong.

Why?

Therefore the members are within their right to poke fun at a system long bereft of dignity and relevance.

Sadly it still has relevance because it has power.

[Anchorman]

Dunno about Walse, Hope;
However the procedures for administering the Scots Parliament were enshrined in the Scotland Act 1999, and the chamber is run without the flourishes, flummery, daft courtesy titles and other rubbish which infests Westminster. Liz has visited the parliament on four occasions, one of which was when it vacated its' then temporary home to make way for the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland (who owned the building).
On the three occasions when Liz opened Parliament as queen of Scots, the only things which remained in common were the fact that the honours of Scotland (the Scots crown, which Liz has never worn) were present, and the monarch sat on a level, or slightly below, those elected by the people.
That was a hark back invented by Donald Dewar, to show that the Scots parliament regarded the sovriegn as one among equals (as it did pre 1605) rather than as one to be exalted or set apart.
As for the rest?
The opening is usually finished with a song...and I well remember the very first song sung in 1999 - my friend folk singer Sheena Wellington singing "A man's a man for a; that", whicch ridicules the aristocracy, monarchy and states that
"The man o independant mind
he looks, and laughs at a that!"

[jakswan]

The opening is usually finished with a song...and I well remember the very first song sung in 1999 - my friend folk singer Sheena Wellington singing "A man's a man for a; that", whicch ridicules the aristocracy, monarchy and states that
"The man o independant mind
he looks, and laughs at a that!"

Sounds like a puppet show.