The result of the EU referendum:

[jeremyp]

I was just trying to help you in the right direction.

No you weren't. You told Wiginhall to vote based on his dislike of Cameron.

If you had to mention Cameron in the way that you did

It wasn't me that brought him up.

[Jack Knave]

When is the leader of the opposition going to speak strongly on this issue?

Good question. As he holds different views to his PLP etc., at the moment, he tends to splutter on many issues. Guess he's waiting for when he's got the power of the Labour party under his flag. That's the Red one.

[Jack Knave]

No you weren't. You told Wiginhall to vote based on his dislike of Cameron.

Still counts as trying to help the blind in the right direction.

It wasn't me that brought him up.

That's the problem of this new system of only allowing the last quote to figure. And of people butting in without indicating they are doing so on the behalf of the blind.

[jakswan]

Nice argument that it is not the perpetrators but those who fail to stop them who are really responsible.

Typically Conservative though...thinking you are an oppressed minority when in fact you are the Government and the people wot vote them in.

Didn't make an argument but ask a question.

Not a conservative neither do I think I'm oppressed or the government.

Can you have a go at writing a sentence that isn't totally wrong?

[jeremyp]

Still counts as trying to help the blind in the right direction.

It counts as dishonesty.

[Jack Knave]

It counts as dishonesty.

If it is doing the right thing then it is not. It is the aims and goals that count.

[jeremyp]

If it is doing the right thing then it is not.

It's not doing the right thing. Telling somebody to vote based on revenge on some politician instead of the issues and what is better for themselves and their country is not doing the right thing.

[Jack Knave]

It's not doing the right thing. Telling somebody to vote based on revenge on some politician instead of the issues and what is better for themselves and their country is not doing the right thing.

But voting to leave is better for themselves and for the country and the issues show this to be the case.

[jeremyp]

But voting to leave is better for themselves and for the country and the issues show this to be the case.

No they don't. If they did, you would be using them instead of telling people it's a good way to spite a politician they don't like.

[Bubbles]

What I want to know is:

Expats like Leonard, presumably they will continue to get their pension ( or will they?) but what about if they need medical treatment?

At the moment we are covered by that EU card, which entitles us to some free treatment.

But if we left the eu, what happens about expats medical bills?

In theory they would lose the cover, wouldn't they?

Anyone know?

I've not seen it discussed as a possible consequence.

There are lots of retired people in Spain etc who it might affect.

Maybe even our own Len.
🌹

[Bubbles]

Omg!

referendum, two million British citizens could possibly lose their residency, employment and pension rights overnight – but no one is talking about it

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/12151896/Expats-are-being-frozen-out-on-Europe.html

That doesn't sound too good 

[Leonard James]

What I want to know is:

Expats like Leonard, presumably they will continue to get their pension ( or will they?) but what about if they need medical treatment?

At the moment we are covered by that EU card, which entitles us to some free treatment.

But if we left the eu, what happens about expats medical bills?

In theory they would lose the cover, wouldn't they?

Anyone know?

I've not seen it discussed as a possible consequence.

There are lots of retired people in Spain etc who it might affect.

Maybe even our own Len.
🌹

Oh dearie me, I hope not, having got to the age when I most need them!

[Bubbles]

Oh dearie me, I hope not, having got to the age when I most need them!

Well hopefully it won't happen.

 

[Jack Knave]

No they don't. If they did, you would be using them instead of telling people it's a good way to spite a politician they don't like.

Yes they do!!!

I would but its complicated so to make it easier for the permanently baffled I just use want I can to help them.

[jeremyp]

Yes they do!!!

I would but its complicated so to make it easier for the permanently baffled I just use want I can to help them.

It doesn't sound like you've got anything more than prejudice against Johnny Foreigner.

[Nearly Sane]

http://newsthump.com/2016/02/19/eu-summit-david-cameron-secures-changes-to-eurovision-voting/

[Jack Knave]

It doesn't sound like you've got anything more than prejudice against Johnny Foreigner.

It doesn't sound like you've got anything more than naked and rude assertions about what your puny little brain thinks is my position on the matter.

[wigginhall]

No they don't. If they did, you would be using them instead of telling people it's a good way to spite a politician they don't like.

I don't think I was saying that.   I was talking about the referendum as Cameron's way of unifying the Tory party, into which we have all been dragooned.   We are being asked to heal the Tories' various splits.   Am I interested in that? 

[Jack Knave]

I don't think I was saying that.   I was talking about the referendum as Cameron's way of unifying the Tory party, into which we have all been dragooned.   We are being asked to heal the Tories' various splits.   Am I interested in that?

You're right about Cameron, it was a ploy to keep his party quiet on the EU, as a short term fix. He also reckoned, like most of us, that our present government would be a coalition again but the Tories tried too hard with the fear of a Labour-SNP coalition and won. Now his scheming is coming home to roost, and his inability to get anything worthwhile (which is making him look like a full blown twat) will cause an internal internecine  war within the Conservatives (70% of the grassroots are Outers). If it is a Leave vote then even more so as there will no doubt be a leadership race.

[jeremyp]

I don't think I was saying that. 

No, I don't think you were either. I was talking about Jack Knave's mythical issues.

[ProfessorDavey]

You're right about Cameron, it was a ploy to keep his party quiet on the EU, as a short term fix. He also reckoned, like most of us, that our present government would be a coalition again but the Tories tried too hard with the fear of a Labour-SNP coalition and won. Now his scheming is coming home to roost, and his inability to get anything worthwhile (which is making him look like a full blown twat) will cause an internal internecine  war within the Conservatives (70% of the grassroots are Outers). If it is a Leave vote then even more so as there will no doubt be a leadership race.

If there is a leave vote then as sure as night follows day we will see a vote in Scotland for independence so Cameron will have presided over the breakup of the UK.

He would, of course, have to resign.

[jeremyp]

If there is a leave vote then as sure as night follows day we will see a vote in Scotland for independence so Cameron will have presided over the breakup of the UK.

He would, of course, have to resign.

And I might move to Scotland in order to remain in the EU.

[ProfessorDavey]

And I might move to Scotland in order to remain in the EU.

It would be interesting to know what the mechanism for Scotland joining the EU would be under those circumstances. So if the UK left the EU prior to Scotland becoming independent the arguments used in the earlier referendum of fast tracking into the EU as they were effectively already part of the EU wouldn't hold. It could be a bureaucratic nightmare.

[Nearly Sane]

It would be interesting to know what the mechanism for Scotland joining the EU would be under those circumstances. So if the UK left the EU prior to Scotland becoming independent the arguments used in the earlier referendum of fast tracking into the EU as they were effectively already part of the EU wouldn't hold. It could be a bureaucratic nightmare.

Yep, I entirely agree with that. And I would go further even if the two things were somehow done in sync it would be a nightmare.

[Jack Knave]

No, I don't think you were either. I was talking about Jack Knave's mythical issues.

And what do you think (I'm being generous there) they are?