The result of the EU referendum:

[jakswan]

If they are stupid I guess it would.

Well they are socialists.

[jakswan]

... you are right but I don't see that turning our back and walking away will cure the problem, stay in and fight these faceless wonders, change it from within for the better.

Is that what you said about in the Scottish referendum?

[Gonnagle]

Dear Jakswan,

Yes that was it exactly, we are all in it together, London, Birmingham, Glasgow, Manchester etc etc etc.

Gonnagle.

[jakswan]

Yes that was it exactly, we are all in it together, London, Birmingham, Glasgow, Manchester etc etc etc.

I thought you voted for independence?

[Hope]

... problem with Mr Corbyn, he is not a great orator, he talks sense but does not get the blood stirring.

and unfortunately, he didn't get his stats correct 

[Gonnagle]

Dear Jakswan,

I thought you voted for independence?

aye that was me, I voted for a independent Glasgow, nae Eastcoasters, nae teuchters, nae southern twats, just us, Gods glorious chosen few, Glaswegians, but we lost, I am now ruled from Edinbugger, home of the deep pocket and short arm brigade.

But come the glorious revolution, all Scots who are not Glaswegian will be put up against the wall and forced to buy their round, failure to do so will result in them buying a season ticket to Parkhead.

Just to add, the Greatest football occasion in the history of football will happen this Sunday, the Gers are back, 1966, a mere blip in the history of the Gentleman's game.

Gonnagle.

[jakswan]

aye that was me, I voted for a independent Glasgow,

Wouldn't surprise me if you actually thought that was what the referendum was about.

the Gers are back

Yes from the 101st most competitive football league in the world to the 100th.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

With all this control and money coming back to the UK the out campaign should be a ble to say whose pockets...er...sorry, How many immigrants there will be and how much will go to the public services and How much to farmers etc.

[L.A.]

With all this control and money coming back to the UK the out campaign should be a ble to say whose pockets...er...sorry, How many immigrants there will be and how much will go to the public services and How much to farmers etc.

There wouldn't be much of a GREXIT bonus - of our £18bn contribution, we all ready get a rebate of £5bn. more than £4bn comes back to the UK, so on the face of it there could be around £8-9bn saving - BUT if we were outside the EU, we would certainly have to make a payment to access the single market in the same way that Switzerland and Norway do, so that figure would certainly come down significantly.

As for the immigrants - we would still need the majority of them.

[Jack Knave]

There wouldn't be much of a GREXIT bonus - of our £18bn contribution, we all ready get a rebate of £5bn. more than £4bn comes back to the UK, so on the face of it there could be around £8-9bn saving - BUT if we were outside the EU, we would certainly have to make a payment to access the single market in the same way that Switzerland and Norway do, so that figure would certainly come down significantly.

As for the immigrants - we would still need the majority of them.

We wouldn't want to be part of the single market because that is as good as being in the EU i.e. part of its political project.

We wouldn't need the majority of the EU immigrants as they have no skills we need. There are better trained peoples outside the EU.

[L.A.]

We wouldn't want to be part of the single market because that is as good as being in the EU i.e. part of its political project.

You must be referring to Gove's Fantasy Land where we are magically given all the benefits of EU membership without any of the costs. That's not going to happen!

Either we will not get free access to the market or we will have to pay a significant financial cost

We wouldn't need the majority of the EU immigrants as they have no skills we need. There are better trained peoples outside the EU.

There are certainly plenty of people outside the EU who would be very keen to work in the UK, but I'm not sure that most people in this country would regards a flood of immigrants from none EU countries to be an improvement on our current arrangements.

[Hope]

It is interesting that the Brexit campaigners have studiously avoided stating how much an exit would cost the UK.  For instance, following a 'Leave' vote, it will take 6 months to a year (if not longer) to get all the exiting bonds with Europe properly severed - and would we still be paying our £18bn-£5bn a year over that period?  Would we still be receiving the £4bn that we get back?  What about the European money that is already coming in and which is ear-marked to 2020?

On top of that, there will be business uncertainty; there will be several years-worth of negotiation regarding trade agreements with both the new-look Europe and other nations which we currently have EU-trade agreements with.  How much will all that cost the UK's industrial sector?  How would UK steel production fare in that climate?

etc., etc.

[ProfessorDavey]

It is interesting that the Brexit campaigners have studiously avoided stating how much an exit would cost the UK.  For instance, following a 'Leave' vote, it will take 6 months to a year (if not longer) to get all the exiting bonds with Europe properly severed - and would we still be paying our £18bn-£5bn a year over that period?  Would we still be receiving the £4bn that we get back?  What about the European money that is already coming in and which is ear-marked to 2020?

On top of that, there will be business uncertainty; there will be several years-worth of negotiation regarding trade agreements with both the new-look Europe and other nations which we currently have EU-trade agreements with.  How much will all that cost the UK's industrial sector?  How would UK steel production fare in that climate?

etc., etc.

It will take years to untangle, in part, as you suggest because there are already major funding commitments that will not be complete until perhaps 2025 - the plug couldn't simply be pulled, so either UK government would have to step in and cover the costs or there will need to be a 'cool off' period where we will still need to pay in (perhaps with a taper arrangement) while funding continues to come back from the EU.

And that's just one aspect.

Another example - we have been told to expect a University's Bill in parliament in the summer ... unless there is Brexit in which case for a considerable period of time government will be paralysed due to the need to put in place vast amounts of new legislation to replace that currently from the EU. So all those regulations, on safety, workers rights, financial measures etc etc that we are currently signed up to at EU level will need to be rewritten and reenacted for by the UK parliament. In most cases the actually regulations won't be different (indeed they couldn't be if we are to get a free trade deal) so we will block up the legislative programme of government for years in order to achieve exactly the position we currently have - madness. And in doing so government will take its eye off the ball of all other policy programmes. Some people might see that as a good thing (as current plans end up in the long grass) but actually the result will be effectively planning blight on a massive governmental level.

[L.A.]

It is interesting that the Brexit campaigners have studiously avoided stating how much an exit would cost the UK.  For instance, following a 'Leave' vote, it will take 6 months to a year (if not longer) to get all the exiting bonds with Europe properly severed - and would we still be paying our £18bn-£5bn a year over that period?  Would we still be receiving the £4bn that we get back?  What about the European money that is already coming in and which is ear-marked to 2020?
 . . .

etc., etc.

I noticed that while Gove dismissed the Treasury predictions as scaremongering, he didn't actually give us an in-depth analysis of his own economic modelling.

[ProfessorDavey]

I noticed that while Gove dismissed the Treasury predictions as scaremongering, he didn't actually give us an in-depth analysis of his own economic modelling.

This is their only argument when presented with expert opinion and evidence - scaremongering and 'project fear'. Pathetic - why not role out the IMF, OBR, treasury, OECD or any other reputable economic organisation etc etc to present the boost from Brexit - oh, I forgot there aren't any that suggest anything other than a very sizeable hit on GDP and the economy. Sure there is argument over how bad the hit will be, but no argument that there will be a major hit.

[Hope]

I also notice that the 'Leave' campaign (including people on this board) deem all the comments by the 'Remain' campaign to be 'scaremongering' or 'fear tactics'.  They must be massively blinkered not to have noticed that that is, to all intents and purposes, what Farage and others have been involved in for the last 2 or 3 years.

PD, I seem to have said much the same as you - I was composing mine at about the same time as you posted.

[L.A.]

This is their only argument when presented with expert opinion and evidence - scaremongering and 'project fear'. Pathetic - why not role out the IMF, OBR, treasury, OECD or any other reputable economic organisation etc etc to present the boost from Brexit - oh, I forgot there aren't any that suggest anything other than a very sizeable hit on GDP and the economy. Sure there is argument over how bad the hit will be, but no argument that there will be a major hit.

It seems to me that the 'Plan' of the BREXITors is simply to quit the EU then hope that the rest of the world will offer us attractive trade deals - which seems a little optimistic. I'm sure there are plenty of people who want to sell us stuff, for example  the Chinese have 'quite a lot' of steel they would like to get rid of at bargain prices, but would that be a 'good'  thing?

I've got a feeling that obtaining the kinds of trade agreements that are in our long term interests would not be so easy.

[jakswan]

It is interesting that the Brexit campaigners have studiously avoided stating how much an exit would cost the UK.

On of the reasons to leave is how much we would save.

On top of that, there will be business uncertainty; there will be several years-worth of negotiation regarding trade agreements with both the new-look Europe and other nations which we currently have EU-trade agreements with.  How much will all that cost the UK's industrial sector? 

Nothing changes for two years and once a trade agreement is reached 'lets keep it the same' nothing changes.

How would UK steel production fare in that climate?

Actually the problem with cheap steel in the UK a lot of it comes from EU so unless you don't want a free trade deal, not a lot. Oh UK would be free to intervene if it so wished freed from EU laws.

[jakswan]

It will take years to untangle, in part, as you suggest because there are already major funding commitments that will not be complete until perhaps 2025 - the plug couldn't simply be pulled, so either UK government would have to step in and cover the costs or there will need to be a 'cool off' period where we will still need to pay in (perhaps with a taper arrangement) while funding continues to come back from the EU.

And that's just one aspect.

Why is that a major problem?

Another example - we have been told to expect a University's Bill in parliament in the summer ... unless there is Brexit in which case for a considerable period of time government will be paralysed due to the need to put in place vast amounts of new legislation to replace that currently from the EU.

As I understand it EU directives and made into UK law. UK law remains as is.

So all those regulations, on safety, workers rights,

I don't think so.

[jakswan]

I noticed that while Gove dismissed the Treasury predictions as scaremongering, he didn't actually give us an in-depth analysis of his own economic modelling.

I'll do it for him, by 2030 each household will be £43,000 better off, there I just made something up just like Osborne.

[jakswan]

This is their only argument when presented with expert opinion and evidence - scaremongering and 'project fear'. Pathetic - why not role out the IMF, OBR, treasury, OECD or any other reputable economic organisation etc etc to present the boost from Brexit - oh, I forgot there aren't any that suggest anything other than a very sizeable hit on GDP and the economy. Sure there is argument over how bad the hit will be, but no argument that there will be a major hit.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/04/18/economists-blast-one-sided-treasury-warning-on-brexit/

[jakswan]

It seems to me that the 'Plan' of the BREXITors is simply to quit the EU then hope that the rest of the world will offer us attractive trade deals - which seems a little optimistic. I'm sure there are plenty of people who want to sell us stuff, for example  the Chinese have 'quite a lot' of steel they would like to get rid of at bargain prices, but would that be a 'good'  thing?

I've got a feeling that obtaining the kinds of trade agreements that are in our long term interests would not be so easy.

The plan of the Bremainers is simply to follow the EU like a lapdog.

[~TW~]

Take note

                           If the French and Germans want us to stay in.What better reason could you have to vote OUT.

                                               ~TW~

[L.A.]

Take note

                           If the French and Germans want us to stay in.What better reason could you have to vote OUT.

                                               ~TW~

using that argument, I would say: Because UKIP want us out we should stay in.

[~TW~]

using that argument, I would say: Because UKIP want us out we should stay in.

 So you want to be ruled by and from Brussels.

             ~TW~