The result of the EU referendum:

[Nearly Sane]

Who said '350 million for the NHS'?

http://www.itv.com/news/2016-04-21/when-350m-for-the-nhs-isnt-350m-for-the-nhs/

[jakswan]

Who said '350 million for the NHS'?

http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/briefing_cost

The second one is a lie, never heard the NHS one, if so another lie. Most poeple I've spoken to don't beleive either side and are voting on principle.

The only differance between either side I've really seen is the Bremainers can't see any arguement for Brexit.

[ProfessorDavey]

Who said '350 million for the NHS'?

It's written in huge letters on the side of the official Brexit campaign battle bus.

[jeremyp]

I agree the both sides have stretched the truth with their normal amount of spin, evading questions etc. However '£4,300 cost to families if UK leaves' is a lie.

Only in the sense that it is a worst case estimate that has been spun as if it were the probable outcome. It's not as if £2,000 cost per family is all sweetness and light.

The £350 million per week emblazoned on the side of the Leavers' Battle Bus is, on the other hand an outright bare faced lie.

Also agree you shouldn't decide on the basis of who you think has lied least, just that the claims that side makes should be trusted less.

That would be the Leavers then.

[Nearly Sane]

Watching the Vote Leave broadcast, the 350 million and Turkey lies being repeated and a whole dramatisation for the money for for the NHS lie.


Watch it, jakswan and get back about what you think.


And they repeated it immediately.


As for Boris talking about Hitler. He's spent most of his life working for papers, he knew exactly what was going on, and if you use the how do you know argument then that demolishes your own argument by jpeg.

[ProfessorDavey]

The £350 million per week emblazoned on the side of the Leavers' Battle Bus is, on the other hand an outright bare faced lie.

Doubly so when you add in the second half of the statement on the bus - 'let's fund our NHS instead' - a clear statement that if we left the EU the £350 million that they claim is sent to Brussels diverted to fund the NHS'

A big fat bare faced lie. And one that eventually promoted a leading Brexiter to defect to Remain when she was unable to get them to stop using what she and they knew to be a lie.

[Nearly Sane]

Odds moved a bit to 10/3 on Stay

[Jack Knave]

I don't need to. The EU isn't a state much less a totalitarian one.

And if you think that anything on UKIP Daily can be trusted, you are a fucking moron.

Now, now, keep your hair on!

It defines what a totalitarian state is and then compares that to the EU's wet dream of an Ever-Closer-Union federal state and hey presto we have a match. Very much like the old USSR.

[jeremyp]

OK immigrants:

The net immigration from the EU is currently around 180,000 per annum (i.e. three Arsenal home games worth). This is a historic high: in the 80's net immigration from the EU was negative i.e. more people were going from the UK to Europe than the other way around.

So let us say that this historically high figure stays the same for the next ten years. What does that actually mean? Obviously, there will be an extra 1.8 million people here from the EU. The population is now around 65 million people so that is around a 3% increase. That means the difference between out and in is you go to A&E in ten yours time and there are 50 people there if we leave and 52 if we don't leave the EU. The class that your grand children are in has 31 people in it instead of 30.

Is that really so ad? And remember, this is if immigration remains at historically high figures. If our economy has a down turn (very likely if we leave) migration will move in the other direction, except it can't because the EU, in a tit for tat measure will stop our citizens from seeking work elsewhere in its borders.

The immigration argument is a total dead duck.

[jeremyp]

Now, now, keep your hair on!

It defines what a totalitarian state is and then compares that to the EU's wet dream of an Ever-Closer-Union federal state and hey presto we have a match. Very much like the old USSR.

The EU is not a state and it is not totalitarian by any reasonable definition of those two words. Sorry, but you are being lied to.

[Jack Knave]

Ah, thank you. So I can breathe just a little more easily for the moment. ]

If we remain it won't be your breathing that will be your main problem!

[jeremyp]

If we remain it won't be your breathing that will be your main problem!

You mean breathing will be a problem if we vote to leave? What is Gove planning to do? Tax the air?

[Jack Knave]

Actually our net contribution to the EU is nearer to £350 per week than £350 million!

£350 million is closer to the truth!!!

[jeremyp]

£350 million is closer to the truth!!!

It's still a lie and the lie is still painted on the leavers' Battle Bus.

[Nearly Sane]

It's still a lie and the lie is still painted on the leavers' Battle Bus.

with the additional lie that it will be spent o the NHS, as repeated in the broadcast tonight.


Again I think Stay has lied but I find it odd that those who support leave on here seem to struggle with the idea that Leave has lied.

[Jack Knave]

Well the Leavers' Remainers constant lying all the time doesn't seem to have damaged their polling figures.

That's more like it! Just putting your mistakes right, Jeremy!!! 

[Jack Knave]

NS

breathing just a teensy bit easier is because I'm an optimist, I suppose.

Did you hear Alan Johnson in World at One today? I raised a small cheer for him.

Arr, these simpletons, as faithful and mindless as a loyal dog...

[Nearly Sane]

Arr, these simpletons, as faithful and mindless as a loyal dog...

Your inability to make a case based on anything other than assertion or insulation doesn't help your cause.
I suggest to make an effort to have a sensible discussion if you want to achieve anything.

I don't think any the less of the Leave arguments because of your behaviour, but I have no chance to think anything more of them, since you don't make any.

[jakswan]

with the additional lie that it will be spent o the NHS, as repeated in the broadcast tonight.


Again I think Stay has lied but I find it odd that those who support leave on here seem to struggle with the idea that Leave has lied.

Yeah both sides have lied.

[jakswan]

OK immigrants:

The net immigration from the EU is currently around 180,000 per annum (i.e. three Arsenal home games worth). This is a historic high: in the 80's net immigration from the EU was negative i.e. more people were going from the UK to Europe than the other way around.

So let us say that this historically high figure stays the same for the next ten years. What does that actually mean? Obviously, there will be an extra 1.8 million people here from the EU. The population is now around 65 million people so that is around a 3% increase. That means the difference between out and in is you go to A&E in ten yours time and there are 50 people there if we leave and 52 if we don't leave the EU. The class that your grand children are in has 31 people in it instead of 30.

Is that really so ad? And remember, this is if immigration remains at historically high figures. If our economy has a down turn (very likely if we leave) migration will move in the other direction, except it can't because the EU, in a tit for tat measure will stop our citizens from seeking work elsewhere in its borders.

The immigration argument is a total dead duck.

Not really I actually think immigration is great for the country overall however its level should under the control of the UK government. The current policy is discriminatory for non-eu poeple

[Nearly Sane]

Yeah both sides have lied.

So therefore your point about seeing which side has lied earlier to see if you can trust them is invalid.

[Jack Knave]

Dear Udayana,

Which tells me something, Mr Corbyn is not news, he is all over the country talking about it, but nobody thinks he is newsworthy.

Gonnagle.

But this is his plan. To go about pretending to be a Remainer but keep a low profile so he can insidiously hint at his faithful followers to vote leave...

[Jack Knave]

The EU is not a state and it is not totalitarian by any reasonable definition of those two words. Sorry, but you are being lied to.

You are foolishly using the present tense. It is their plans of a federal state that you should taking note of. You are wrong.

[Jack Knave]

It's still a lie and the lie is still painted on the leavers' Battle Bus.

No it is not, it is pretty much it.

[jeremyp]

That's more like it! Just putting your mistakes right, Jeremy!!! 

The Remainers don't lie all the time. They don't have a lie plastered on the side of their Battle Bus.