The result of the EU referendum:

[Jack Knave]

Your inability to make a case based on anything other than assertion or insulation doesn't help your cause.
I suggest to make an effort to have a sensible discussion if you want to achieve anything.

I don't think any the less of the Leave arguments because of your behaviour, but I have no chance to think anything more of them, since you don't make any.

What happened to your funny bone? It is wit with a perspicacious observation of the permanently baffled and easily led drones in our society.

[jeremyp]

No it is not, it is pretty much it.

It says on the side of the Leavers' Battle Bus that the UK sends £350 million per week to the EU. This is a demonstrable outright lie. There's no disputing it

[Jack Knave]

The Remainers don't lie all the time. They don't have a lie plastered on the side of their Battle Bus.

I suppose it's true they aren't lying all the time, unless they constantly talk in their sleep. Lets put it like this, they lie every time they open their mouths or create some internet dialogue.

[Gordon]

I'd have to say that as this gets closer I'm getting progressively angrier that the core reason this is happening at all at this time since it seems to me that we are being forced to make this decision to suit the internal politics of the Tory party, where the promise of a referendum was perhaps a rash sop to its own malcontents, where those making this promise might have assumed that there would be another coalition government which would have killed this stone dead: only to find they now have no option but to proceed, which seems like a party before country strategy.

Ironically, no matter what the result, not only will this referendum further fracture the Tory party rather than resolving its internal conflicts, we are faced with arguments and personalities that are uninspiring on every level - it feels to me like an abuse of democracy.   

[Nearly Sane]

What happened to your funny bone? It is wit with a perspicacious observation of the permanently baffled and easily led drones in our society.

One might almost think you were a Poe.

[Nearly Sane]

I suppose it's true they aren't lying all the time, unless they constantly talk in their sleep. Lets put it like this, they lie every time they open their mouths or create some internet dialogue.

'One of Wilde's, your highness'

[Nearly Sane]

Boris lying again in the debate.

[Nearly Sane]

Though the whole thing makes me want to switch off the television and go to an estate agent where I will get more honesty. 

[Jack Knave]

I'd have to say that as this gets closer I'm getting progressively angrier that the core reason this is happening at all at this time since it seems to me that we are being forced to make this decision to suit the internal politics of the Tory party, where the promise of a referendum was perhaps a rash sop to its own malcontents, where those making this promise might have assumed that there would be another coalition government which would have killed this stone dead: only to find they now have no option but to proceed, which seems like a party before country strategy.

Ironically, no matter what the result, not only will this referendum further fracture the Tory party rather than resolving its internal conflicts, we are faced with arguments and personalities that are uninspiring on every level - it feels to me like an abuse of democracy.   

I basically agree. But the ironic part of your post which has been poignant to all this was that the Tories assumed, I would guess, another coalition and so filled their manifesto with all their policy wish list, and are now cornered in trying to implement them.

In some sense like Labour who allowed some unknown to the masses leftie outsider called Corbyn to run for the leadership contest and then to their chagrin won it. Man never learns that they can't control things and the run of fate, especially when it comes to big projects like the EU; which needs destroying as it is a monster. St George needs to slay that dragon again.

And the fallout of this referendum, whether to stay or leave, will be with us for years to come as the publics awareness of the EU has now been piqued.

[Gordon]

St George needs to slay that dragon again.

I'm not sure St George would act in the best interests of Scotland.

[Jack Knave]

It says on the side of the Leavers' Battle Bus that the UK sends £350 million per week to the EU. This is a demonstrable outright lie. There's no disputing it

No you're wrong. Our rebate will stop if we vote to remain so you can include that and what comes back to us is earmarked by the EU for EU projects here which are not always to our needs and wants and desires so a good proportion of that can be includes too.

[Nearly Sane]

I basically agree. But the ironic part of your post which has been poignant to all this was that the Tories assumed, I would guess, another coalition and so filled their manifesto with all their policy wish list, and are now cornered in trying to implement them.

In some sense like Labour who allowed some unknown to the masses leftie outsider called Corbyn to run for the leadership contest and then to their chagrin won it. Man never learns that they can't control things and the run of fate, especially when it comes to big projects like the EU; which needs destroying as it is a monster. St George needs to slay that dragon again.

And the fallout of this referendum, whether to stay or leave, will be with us for years to come as the publics awareness of the EU has now been piqued.

Hurrah, this is more like it, and I absolutely agree about what things can be controlled but that applies just as much to a UK as an EU. We need greater subsidiarity, something that the EU has as a principle though it is often ignored and something the UK doesn't have.


Strangely though when I posted something similar in the Wrong End of the Telescope thread you specifically disagreed with, iirc
 

[Jack Knave]

I'm not sure St George would act in the best interests of Scotland.

Sometimes people don't always realise what is good for them. You can thanks us afterwards, ok. 

[Nearly Sane]

Sometimes people don't always realise what is good for them. You can thanks us afterwards, ok. 

And again your position.is contradictory you think you know better but write that 'man can't control things'.

[Jack Knave]

Hurrah, this is more like it, and I absolutely agree about what things can be controlled but that applies just as much to a UK as an EU. We need greater subsidiarity, something that the EU has as a principle though it is often ignored and something the UK doesn't have.


Strangely though when I posted something similar in the Wrong End of the Telescope thread you specifically disagreed with, iirc

Don't think that was me as I don't remember ever posting on that thread. And I agree that even Westminster needs to be drained of some of its powers etc. Democracy works best with smaller numbers and therefore more 'locally'.

[Gordon]

Sometimes people don't always realise what is good for them. You can thanks us afterwards, ok. 

If it is 'Leave', then after a decent interval I'll leave you a thank you card at the border crossing at Gretna.

[Nearly Sane]

Don't think that was me as I don't remember ever posting on that thread. And I agree that even Westminster needs to be drained of some of its powers etc. Democracy works best with smaller numbers and therefore more 'locally'.

See link, I think you might have misread my post, or even I might be misreading yours but you seem to be implying that grand plans can be made.

http://www.religionethics.co.uk/index.php?topic=11217.25

[jakswan]

If it is 'Leave', then after a decent interval I'll leave you a thank you card at the border crossing at Gretna.

Another reason to vote leave then.

[Hope]

Should the Government have extended the time to register to vote following the crash of the website on Tuesday? 

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I think Brexit has about a week left.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Should the Government have extended the time to register to vote following the crash of the website on Tuesday?

No....The thing about restoring democracy to Britain from the EU is that we can control who votes.

[jeremyp]

No you're wrong. Our rebate will stop if we vote to remain

That's another lie.

so you can include that and what comes back to us is earmarked by the EU for EU projects here which are not always to our needs and wants and desires so a good proportion of that can be includes too.

So you are saying fuck you to the farming industry.

[SusanDoris]

The last caller* in the phone-in (on FiveLive) following QT last night was a woman who had a single issue, pet topic for leaving. She also said that her children and their friends are for remaining ... so there's another who is not looking into the future, the future for young people well after her demise. Did anyone else hear her? If so, what did you think of her slightly giggly attitude?

*I think it's a BBC conspiracy - make the last speaker on all referendum programmes a leaver.  *frown*

[L.A.]

Should the Government have extended the time to register to vote following the crash of the website on Tuesday?

The government are pretty good at screwing-up IT projects, so I suppose a short extension is the least they could do.

[Nearly Sane]

I wonder why people get it so wrong

http://tinyurl.com/hfypn4e