The result of the EU referendum:

[Nearly Sane]

The government are pretty good at screwing-up IT projects, so I suppose a short extension is the least they could do.

Well (a) this isn't an IT project, (b) the website is supported by a private sector supplier but apart from that your prejudice is fully supported.

[Jack Knave]

And again your position.is contradictory you think you know better but write that 'man can't control things'.

So what do we do just sit still and do nothing? It was in reference to the Tories thinking that they wouldn't have to implement their exuberant wish list due to the forthcoming coalition....but we still have to try. The smaller and down to earth the schemes the better so things like the EU is out of the question hence my 'you'll thank us later...'.

[Jack Knave]

If it is 'Leave', then after a decent interval I'll leave you a thank you card at the border crossing at Gretna.

And then what are you lot going to do, join the EU? Is that what you call independence, becoming serfs to Brussels as Ireland is?

[Jack Knave]

See link, I think you might have misread my post, or even I might be misreading yours but you seem to be implying that grand plans can be made.

http://www.religionethics.co.uk/index.php?topic=11217.25

What I said was that I never posted on that thread so I never did disagree with you on the UK matter you mentioned a few posts above on this thread. The reason large projects can't work is because by their very complexity they introduce too many unknown factors; a kind of chaos situation where feedback loops create too much uncertainty. Things can flip too quickly in these situations for us to react to them in time - sometimes referred to as the perfect storm. Keeping it simple and local is far better but with some commodities this may prove to be inefficient and slow, but that's the price one pays for things being manageable.

[Nearly Sane]

What I said was that I never posted on that thread so I never did disagree with you on the UK matter you mentioned a few posts above on this thread. The reason large projects can't work is because by their very complexity they introduce too many unknown factors; a kind of chaos situation where feedback loops create too much uncertainty. Things can flip too quickly in these situations for us to react to them in time - sometimes referred to as the perfect storm. Keeping it simple and local is far better but with some commodities this may prove to be inefficient and slow, but that's the price one pays for things being manageable.

which is why I posted you posting on the thread.

[Jack Knave]

That's another lie.

No it is not. If we vote to remain the EU will take that as a full approval of the British people for Brussels to start to implement their Federal dream at all systems go. If any of our guys resist things they will just say well your mandate says that you should agree will the full implementation of the United States of Europe.

So you are saying fuck you to the farming industry.

But it is not really farming it's ownership of land. Some of the conditions require farmers to destroy natural habitat where rare species live. The CAP is corrupted and rotten.

[Jack Knave]

which is why I posted you posting on the thread.

It didn't go to me on the thread it went to the OP. I scrolled down a bit but nothing...How about a post number?

[Nearly Sane]

It didn't go to me on the thread it went to the OP. I scrolled down a bit but nothing...How about a post number?

last post

[Nearly Sane]

It didn't go to me on the thread it went to the OP. I scrolled down a bit but nothing...How about a post number?

also trying it again it goes to first post on the second of two pages

[Jack Knave]

last post

Ok.

What I said above still applies. You need plans but they need to be manageable for our human capacities. The Sorcerers Apprentice sums this up well. It is easier to have the dreams and hopes and ambitions for mega utopian futures than to actually live them out. As my little quote under my name once said, "Man's gotta know his limitations."

It is also fairly easy to visualize and conceptualize the final product of these super-dreams, the end set-up, but the journey there isn't so easy to plan out and there is often a hiatus between the initial steps and this end destination, which is often filled with vague hopes of "It'll be ok.", "We'll manage." and wishy-washy, out of focus blue prints which can't account for how things will change with time. Also, the initial pet project becomes a 'religious' mantra that can't be changed at any cost and peoples' pride also interfere with necessary rational adjustments. Also, as I said above large systems have feedback problems which create chaotic situations - I'm sure this has a technical name that expresses this chaos theory idea(?). And so on with the problems...

[Jack Knave]

also trying it again it goes to first post on the second of two pages

I have the set-up of 50 posts per page, not 25.

[Nearly Sane]

Ok.

What I said above still applies. You need plans but they need to be manageable for our human capacities. The Sorcerers Apprentice sums this up well. It is easier to have the dreams and hopes and ambitions for mega utopian futures than to actually live them out. As my little quote under my name once said, "Man's gotta know his limitations."

It is also fairly easy to visualize and conceptualize the final product of these super-dreams, the end set-up, but the journey there isn't so easy to plan out and there is often a hiatus between the initial steps and this end destination, which is often filled with vague hopes of "It'll be ok.", "We'll manage." and wishy-washy, out of focus blue prints which can't account for how things will change with time. Also, the initial pet project becomes a 'religious' mantra that can't be changed at any cost and peoples' pride also interfere with necessary rational adjustments. Also, as I said above large systems have feedback problems which create chaotic situations - I'm sure this has a technical name that expresses this chaos theory idea(?). And so on with the problems...

and talking about certainties as regard UK out exactly falls for that but you ignore it. Reducing hugely complex to slightly less complex does nothing to validate your assertions t
Or that you have any idea of a big picture (a description of hugely complex). You support people making hugely complex decisions and yet you assert they have no justification for doing so. You seem very confused, or I am just very confused by your position.

[Nearly Sane]

I have the set-up of 50 posts per page, not 25.

Which then means you didn't page down to the bottom of the page and claimed you hadn't posted mmmm. You don't think things out

[L.A.]

I wonder why people get it so wrong

http://tinyurl.com/hfypn4e

That is hardly surprising when you consider the amount of misinformation (or lying as it used to be called) that the  Brexit bunch have been allowed to get away with.

[jakswan]

That is hardly surprising when you consider the amount of misinformation (or lying as it used to be called) that the  Brexit bunch have been allowed to get away with.

As opposed to Corbyn "myth-making and prophecies of doom" and Sturgeon "scaremongering”.

I can accept there have been lies told by both sides.

[Nearly Sane]

Odds narrowing again back to 11\4 on Stay

[jakswan]

Looking good for Brexit, Dyson, John Mann, for leave, odds changing,  polls swinging.

[Nearly Sane]

Interesting article

http://time.com/4364697/brexit-frank-luntz-poll/?xid=tcoshare

[jeremyp]

No it is not. If we vote to remain the EU will take that as a full approval of the British people for Brussels to start to implement their Federal dream at all systems go

That's a lie.

If any of our guys resist things they will just say well your mandate says that you should agree will the full implementation of the United States of Europe.

That's a lie.

But it is not really farming it's ownership of land. Some of the conditions require farmers to destroy natural habitat where rare species live. The CAP is corrupted and rotten.

If there isn't a CAP or UK equivalent, farming in this country would be largely uneconomic. Most farmers would go out of business.  Is that what you want?

[jeremyp]

Looking good for Brexit, Dyson, John Mann, for leave, odds changing,  polls swinging.

I'm sure Captain Smith was pretty optimistic about his arrival time in New York, too.

[L.A.]

As opposed to Corbyn "myth-making and prophecies of doom" and Sturgeon "scaremongering”.

I can accept there have been lies told by both sides.

The fact of the matter is that Brexit is backed by virtually all the right-wing media - and they are just churning out propaganda with little regard to accuracy. Remain, in my opinion. have been guilty of lack of context when quoting predictions - that doesn't make them wrong, but does leave them open to critisism.

Corbyn on the other hand is just a tosser who doesn't live on this planet.


It is perhaps worth reflecting that some people will certainly do well out of Brexit - mainly speculators. Take a good look at the Brexiteers and consider their motives.

[L.A.]

Well (a) this isn't an IT project, (b) the website is supported by a private sector supplier but apart from that your prejudice is fully supported.

I think most people would consider that a website linked to a government database should be considered to be a government IT project  even if a private company is involved- my only point is that UK governments tend to be really crap at doing this kind of thing.

[Nearly Sane]

I think most people would consider that a website linked to a government database should be considered to be a government IT project  even if a private company is involved- my only point is that UK governments tend to be really crap at doing this kind of thing.

Ad Populum arguments seen really popular today. And then it's just followed by assertion.

[jeremyp]

I think most people would consider that a website linked to a government database should be considered to be a government IT project  even if a private company is involved- my only point is that UK governments tend to be really crap at doing this kind of thing.

It's a government web site. It's on a gov.uk address, it would have been driven by a government department and overseen by the Government Digital Service. It will be running on infrastructure maintained by somebody on behalf of the government. The software would have been written by a contractor to government specifications and requirements.

It is a government IT project.

[Nearly Sane]

It's a government web site. It's on a gov.uk address, it would have been driven by a government department and overseen by the Government Digital Service. It will be running on infrastructure maintained by somebody on behalf of the government. The software would have been written by a contractor to government specifications and requirements.

It is a government IT project.

Actually, given that, yep, you and indeed LA are correct. I was looking at the website as not necessarily being a specific project once it waxs BAU but that's really accounting rather than realistic.