Author Topic: The result of the EU referendum: (Read 256474 times)

Jack Knave · « **Reply #1850 on:** June 11, 2016, 04:54:01 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on June 10, 2016, 08:18:23 PM

and talking about certainties as regard UK out exactly falls for that but you ignore it. Reducing hugely complex to slightly less complex does nothing to validate your assertions t
Or that you have any idea of a big picture (a description of hugely complex). You support people making hugely complex decisions and yet you assert they have no justification for doing so. You seem very confused, or I am just very confused by your position.

You're going to have to write better English than that and explain who these people I support because it isn't fully clear what you're getting at.

Jack Knave · « **Reply #1851 on:** June 11, 2016, 05:00:27 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on June 10, 2016, 08:19:59 PM

Which then means you didn't page down to the bottom of the page and claimed you hadn't posted mmmm. You don't think things out

As I said I scrolled down a bit, but I was expecting the link to go straight to my post, if there was one, and so thought there was a fault that's why I didn't bother going to the end.

Jack Knave · « **Reply #1852 on:** June 11, 2016, 05:03:51 PM »

Quote from: L.A. on June 10, 2016, 09:07:51 PM

That is hardly surprising when you consider the amount of misinformation (or lying as it used to be called) that the ~~Brexit~~ Remainer bunch have been allowed to get away with.

2/10 you must try harder and avoid these basic mistakes, LA.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #1853 on:** June 11, 2016, 05:08:22 PM »

Quote from: Jack Knave on June 11, 2016, 04:54:01 PM

You're going to have to write better English than that and explain who these people I support because it isn't fully clear what you're getting at.

Yep, you're right that needs to be unpacked a bit but I don't have time just now, will redo when got time.

Jack Knave · « **Reply #1854 on:** June 11, 2016, 05:13:59 PM »

Quote from: jeremyp on June 11, 2016, 12:46:35 PM

That's a lie.
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That's a lie.

So all you have got is empty assertions!

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If there isn't a CAP or UK equivalent, farming in this country would be largely uneconomic. Most farmers would go out of business. Is that what you want?

That is not what I said. Just because you have a system doesn't mean it is good. The Saudis chop criminals' heads off, that's a system. We put them in jail, that's a system. You can't say they are both good because they are a system. One is bad, the other good. So we should leave the EU, drop the crappy CAP and develop our own way of helping our farmers.

jeremyp · « **Reply #1855 on:** June 11, 2016, 09:38:47 PM »

Quote from: Jack Knave on June 11, 2016, 05:13:59 PM

So all you have got is empty assertions!

No. You told two absolutely blatant lies (in the post I was responding to).

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That is not what I said. Just because you have a system doesn't mean it is good.

No, it's the logical consequence of what you said.

If we leave the EU, either we stop subsidising farming or we continue with something that looks very much like the CAP. If we do the former, many farmers will go bankrupt because the farming industry in this country (as in much of Western Europe) is not competitive.

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The Saudis chop criminals' heads off, that's a system. We put them in jail, that's a system. You can't say they are both good because they are a system.

The EU was a totalitarian state earlier, now it's a theocratic regime. Make your mind up.

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One is bad, the other good. So we should leave the EU, drop the crappy CAP and develop our own way of helping our farmers.

I'm not claiming the CAP is a good idea but you need to be aware that one of the consequences of stopping it (or not replacing it with something similar) is the collapse of the farming industry.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #1856 on:** June 12, 2016, 11:25:18 AM »

Odds narrowing further to 5\2 on

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #1857 on:** June 12, 2016, 11:57:03 AM »

Summary of what the current possible models on Leave vote, note this does preclude as yet unknown

http://linkis.com/www.squareonelaw.com/woMP6

jakswan · « **Reply #1858 on:** June 12, 2016, 12:14:16 PM »

Quote from: Nearly Sane on June 12, 2016, 11:25:18 AM

Odds narrowing further to 5\2 on

Betfair market have the implied odds
www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.118739911

69% Stay
32% Leave

As discussed on Sunday Politics it is now essential for Remain to get the Labour vote out, I don't think the hard left are in favour and with John Mann coming out for leave you get a mixed message.

L.A. · « **Reply #1859 on:** June 12, 2016, 12:34:03 PM »

Quote from: jakswan on June 12, 2016, 12:14:16 PM

Betfair market have the implied odds
www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.118739911

69% Stay
32% Leave

As discussed on Sunday Politics it is now essential for Remain to get the Labour vote out, I don't think the hard left are in favour and with John Mann coming out for leave you get a mixed message.

Though I doubt that Mr Corbyn can be bothered.

SusanDoris · « **Reply #1860 on:** June 12, 2016, 12:38:59 PM »

Quote from: jakswan on June 12, 2016, 12:14:16 PM

Betfair market have the implied odds
www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.118739911

69% Stay
32% Leave

As discussed on Sunday Politics it is now essential for Remain to get the Labour vote out, I don't think the hard left are in favour and with John Mann coming out for leave you get a mixed message.

thank you for that cheering news! I wonder if you think that you might now move to the remain side?

Gonnagle · « **Reply #1861 on:** June 12, 2016, 12:41:24 PM »

Dear Brainless, ( not me saying it but Vlads bestest pal )

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/richard-dawkins-eu-referendum-brexit-david-cameron-a7059201.html

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“It is much too difficult and detailed to be left to voters who know no economics and tend to say things like, ‘Well I was going to vote Leave but I can’t stand Boris Johnson’s hair so I’m going to vote Remain.’ Or, ‘I was going to vote Remain but Cameron needs punishing so I’m going to vote Leave.’ I have literally heard vox pop statements very similar to both those.

Well Prof, you are right, I am clueless, but I will still be voting remain, in it to fix it.

Gonnagle.

Walt Zingmatilder · « **Reply #1862 on:** June 12, 2016, 01:57:18 PM »

Dear Gonnagle

What we have in the UK of E is untold numbers of people who frankly only see two or three weeks into the future because they know that for whatever reason life will seem extremely tedious and so an opportunity for a bit of mayhem might appeal with the added benefit that in the chaos it might just be that, this time it will be their turn to float to the top of the pan just like they perceive other, not apparently able, people have done in the past.

And that's the only way I can square a usually supine and politically disconnected, timid and disinterested nation with an enthusiasm to do something revolutionary and fucking stupid.

jakswan · « **Reply #1863 on:** June 12, 2016, 02:08:18 PM »

Quote from: SusanDoris on June 12, 2016, 12:38:59 PM

thank you for that cheering news! I wonder if you think that you might now move to the remain side?

You find the odds moving to leave cheering? It is you who should move!

SusanDoris · « **Reply #1864 on:** June 12, 2016, 04:46:21 PM »

Quote from: jakswan on June 12, 2016, 02:08:18 PM

You find the odds moving to leave cheering? It is you who should move!

I give up!!! I thought you said 67% for remaining.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #1865 on:** June 12, 2016, 04:52:02 PM »

Quote from: SusanDoris on June 12, 2016, 04:46:21 PM

I give up!!! I thought you said 67% for remaining.

It isn't 67% of people. It's estimated as a 67% chance. As previously covered that's probably thinking that the vote will be about 53\47 BUT the movement is towards Out.

SusanDoris · « **Reply #1866 on:** June 12, 2016, 05:24:26 PM »

Thank you, NS.

Nearly Sane · « **Reply #1867 on:** June 13, 2016, 12:02:32 PM »

Further shifting to 2/1 on Stay

L.A. · « **Reply #1868 on:** June 13, 2016, 01:23:28 PM »

Anyone who is actually interested in the facts (as opposed to the dogma) really ought to listen to these fellows:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07gv98b#play

They really cut through the all the shiit.

SusanDoris · « **Reply #1869 on:** June 13, 2016, 01:39:24 PM »

I hope everyone is listening to More or Less' at midday for 15 minutes on Radio 4 every day this week.

Sorry, LA, I didn't see your post until after I'd posted this.

L.A. · « **Reply #1870 on:** June 13, 2016, 01:46:49 PM »

Quote from: SusanDoris on June 13, 2016, 01:39:24 PM

I hope everyone is listening to More or Less' at midday for 15 minutes on Radio 4 every day this week.

Sorry, LA, I didn't see your post until after I'd posted this.

I'm glad you agree Susan, it's one of the best sources of impartial information I have come across.

Shaker · « **Reply #1871 on:** June 13, 2016, 05:47:01 PM »

Leave increasingly in the lead, say polls: http://goo.gl/IGkkGO

SusanDoris · « **Reply #1872 on:** June 13, 2016, 06:06:06 PM »

*steam coming out of ears* emoticon here (the one we used to have on BBC message board)

Yet again, the number of minutes given to the leave lot (on the chris Mason, in/out, 5:30 slot on PM programme radio4)
was far more than for the remain side.

Jack Knave · « **Reply #1873 on:** June 13, 2016, 06:54:01 PM »

Quote from: jeremyp on June 11, 2016, 09:38:47 PM

No. You told two absolutely blatant lies (in the post I was responding to).
No, it's the logical consequence of what you said.

If we leave the EU, either we stop subsidising farming or we continue with something that looks very much like the CAP. If we do the former, many farmers will go bankrupt because the farming industry in this country (as in much of Western Europe) is not competitive.
The EU was a totalitarian state earlier, now it's a theocratic regime. Make your mind up.
I'm not claiming the CAP is a good idea but you need to be aware that one of the consequences of stopping it (or not replacing it with something similar) is the collapse of the farming industry.

You are now just twisting things or have a total lack of understanding of the what is actually going on.

Jack Knave · « **Reply #1874 on:** June 13, 2016, 07:03:12 PM »

Quote from: jakswan on June 12, 2016, 12:14:16 PM

Betfair market have the implied odds
www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.118739911

69% Stay
32% Leave

As discussed on Sunday Politics it is now essential for Remain to get the Labour vote out, I don't think the hard left are in favour and with John Mann coming out for leave you get a mixed message.

I think a lot of Labour voters are shy Outers. Some are just angry at Labour for not listing to them and being pompous metropolitan elites.

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