The result of the EU referendum:

[Nearly Sane]

"This stereotyping and attempt to portray those voting Leave as somehow morally questionable"

I was illustrating that there is some basis for questioning  the morality of the leave campaign.

And again this is relevant to Vlad's use of Jo Cox's murder in what way?

[Rhiannon]

Sadly a Brexit vote could see that 'self obsessed dangerous wanker' as PM

Never in a million years.

[jeremyp]

And again this is relevant to Vlad's use of Jo Cox's murder in what way?

Who cares? This is a thread about the Brexit vote, not Jo Cox's murder.

[Nearly Sane]

SweetPea claimed that the statue of Europa has unpleasant symbolism in her view. Brownie was raging against it and I was reinforcing his  point.



It seemed pretty obvious to me.

How is anything about another group of people reinforcing the point?

[Nearly Sane]

Who cares? This is a thread about the Brexit vote, not Jo Cox's murder.

which Vlad cited as some sort of argument for Stay.

[L.A.]

Never in a million years.

He is currently favourite at 5/2

http://www.paddypower.com/bet/other-politics/uk-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=1199760

[Nearly Sane]

pragmatic, that's an interesting word for lying self obsessed dangerous wanker

I regret posting this, just another illustration of the coarsening of debate. I'd delete it but I think it better to leave it as an example to myself

[L.A.]

I regret posting this, just another illustration of the coarsening of debate. I'd delete it but I think it better to leave it as an example to myself

Probably wise, you could be risking prosecution under the official secrets act.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

This stereotyping and attempt to portray those voting Leave as somehow morally questionable just because they will vote leave is monumental Irony. That you have previously used the murder of Jo Cox as some implicit threat and comment on those who voted leave was disgusting and a besmirchment on her.

I imply the honest patriot Brexitter, but I also suggest those who have self interest trying to dupe the simple minded patriot....not sophisticated patriot....into a deluded view of Britain's status.
So where as some may have some self interest others are deluded imho.

 I am still waiting for the Brexit strategy from those who want it.

You write from a place where the majority want the EU.
I write from a place once eyed by Farage as a possible winnable seat with long standing xenophobic and Europhobic leanings and have been exposed to the 'pub' mutterings.....

Why did the police urge extra vigilance at politicians surgeries and why did some close the day after on that advice?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Ominous header in the International New York Times.

''What will Britain have left if it leaves the EU?''

[L.A.]

Interesting article:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/eu-referendum-brexit-britain-in-2025-if-we-leave-eu-a7069476.html

Obviously quite 'tongue in cheek' but contains many elements that are only too real.

[jakswan]

You really think that that referendum which is based on ignoring the vote in this one is going to be less toxic?

Yes Farage will still be for out but he would be marginalised.

[jakswan]

The EU could never offer terms that would satisfy Gove, he is an ideologue. Johnson is more pragmatic and he would be desperately looking for a way out of the mess, but would he dare to challenge the democratic referendum result? A Norway deal would be his only sensible option.

Another referendum would challenge the earlier one.

And I don't somehow thing that John Mann will be part of the decision-making process.

He would be part of the debate.

[jakswan]

He is currently favourite at 5/2

http://www.paddypower.com/bet/other-politics/uk-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=1199760

Blimey do people still use bookies.

www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.101193124

[L.A.]

Blimey do people still use bookies.

www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/#/politics/market/1.101193124

Google seems to rank them higher

[L.A.]

Another referendum would challenge the earlier one.

Do you seriously think anyone wants another sodding referendum?

[Gonnagle]

Dear Lapsed,

Hell yes!!

With 1.3 million UK nationals having left for Scotland, and another four million hoping to follow them, for once he spoke the plain truth. Referring to this influx in her Hogmanay address, Prime Minister Sturgeon paid mischievous homage to the outgoing US President by floating the idea of building a “wee wall, twice the length and height of Hadrian’s, to keep the English out”.

When it all goes pear shaped us Scots will welcome the English huddled masses with open arms, one proviso, you cannot wear the kilt until you taken the Jock test, this will include listening to Sydney Devine songs which will indoctrinate you into the sarcastic mindset of us Scots.

Gonnagle.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Dear Lapsed,

Hell yes!!

When it all goes pear shaped us Scots will welcome the English huddled masses with open arms, one proviso, you cannot wear the kilt until you taken the Jock test, this will include listening to Sydney Devine songs which will indoctrinate you into the sarcastic mindset of us Scots.

Gonnagle.

I thought the Jock test was if you put your hand up his Kilt and come across a quarter pounder .....then he's a MacDonald.

[L.A.]

Dear Lapsed,

Hell yes!!

When it all goes pear shaped us Scots will welcome the English huddled masses with open arms, one proviso, you cannot wear the kilt until you taken the Jock test, this will include listening to Sydney Devine songs which will indoctrinate you into the sarcastic mindset of us Scots.

Gonnagle.

No, the Scots can't brew decent beer and there are those appalling bagpipes and that climate, I think I'll be off somewhere further South.

[jakswan]

Do you seriously think anyone wants another sodding referendum?

If we vote leave I have complete confidence you will be begging for one.

[SusanDoris]

Vlad


I'd just like you to know that ihn this thread I am reading all your posts! It's nice to agree with you, so thank you!

Edited to add a missed out 'r'.

[L.A.]

If we vote leave I have complete confidence you will be begging for one.

If we voted to leave, yes, I don't think it would take long before most people were regretting their decision, but it would not be so easy just to reverse things. For one thing there will be some ideologues in the government who would want to see the project through to the bitter end, and a humiliating U turn wouldn't appeal to anyone.

[jakswan]

If we voted to leave, yes, I don't think it would take long before most people were regretting their decision, but it would not be so easy just to reverse things. For one thing there will be some ideologues in the government who would want to see the project through to the bitter end, and a humiliating U turn wouldn't appeal to anyone.

No U turns needed, after a Brexit vote the EU will offer the UK reforms, the EU will have broader appeal and another referendum will follow. Just as they do with treaties that voted down, e.g. Denmark and the Maastricht Treaty.

[Nearly Sane]

No U turns needed, after a Brexit vote the EU will offer the UK reforms, the EU will have broader appeal and another referendum will follow. Just as they do with treaties that voted down, e.g. Denmark and the Maastricht Treaty.

It's a u turn on the vote. It means that any referendums  in future will be seen as meaningless. It will split the Tory party, bring down the govt.

[L.A.]

No U turns needed, after a Brexit vote the EU will offer the UK reforms, the EU will have broader appeal and another referendum will follow. Just as they do with treaties that voted down, e.g. Denmark and the Maastricht Treaty.

That can't happen! - if they offered the kind of 'dream deal' to Britain that the Brexiteers are demanding, it would be the end of the EU.

Turkeys don't vote for Christmas.