The result of the EU referendum:

[Nearly Sane]

That can't happen! - if they offered the kind of 'dream deal' to Britain that the Brexiteers are demanding, it would be the end of the EU.

Turkeys don't vote for Christmas.

In addition any such deal would need referendums in some countries.

[jeremyp]

How is anything about another group of people reinforcing the point?

I think you'll find the morality of the Leave Campaign was being questioned, not people who vote Leave.

I would certainly question the morality of the Leave Campaign, it seems like an orchestrated attempt to lie to the British people. That doesn't make all Leave voters immoral or even all Leave campaigners, but the campaign is immoral in its conduct as far as I can see.

[jeremyp]

Do you seriously think anyone wants another sodding referendum?

This is already "another sodding referendum".

Anyway, the answer is yes. Personally, I could see the following scenario as being feasible.

The Leavers win

Boris Johnson takes over as PM

The Europeans offer us a better deal if we change our minds

Boris calls a new referendum on the terms of the better deal.

If you want to argue that we shouldn't have another referendum even with a changed situation because democracy, I can point out several precedents including this one (referendum on EEC in the 70's). Also, the Irish once had a vote and rejected one of the EU treaties and were made to vote again to get the right answer. Also, if we vote leave but the Scots as a region vote stay, we will see another Scottish independence referendum.

[jeremyp]

If we vote leave I have complete confidence you will be begging for one.

True. After everybody realises what a fucking stupid mistake leaving is and how everything the leave campaign said was a lie, we'll all be begging for one.

[jakswan]

That can't happen! - if they offered the kind of 'dream deal' to Britain that the Brexiteers are demanding, it would be the end of the EU.

Turkeys don't vote for Christmas.

There are some that have the view that its the end of the EU if Brexit.

[jakswan]

In addition any such deal would need referendums in some countries.

Would it did the same apply to Denmark?

[jakswan]

This is already "another sodding referendum".

Anyway, the answer is yes. Personally, I could see the following scenario as being feasible.

The Leavers win

Boris Johnson takes over as PM

The Europeans offer us a better deal if we change our minds

Boris calls a new referendum on the terms of the better deal.

If you want to argue that we shouldn't have another referendum even with a changed situation because democracy, I can point out several precedents including this one (referendum on EEC in the 70's). Also, the Irish once had a vote and rejected one of the EU treaties and were made to vote again to get the right answer. Also, if we vote leave but the Scots as a region vote stay, we will see another Scottish independence referendum.

Wow a post I almost agree with.

[L.A.]

This is already "another sodding referendum".

Anyway, the answer is yes. Personally, I could see the following scenario as being feasible.

The Leavers win

Boris Johnson takes over as PM

The Europeans offer us a better deal if we change our minds

Boris calls a new referendum on the terms of the better deal.

If you want to argue that we shouldn't have another referendum even with a changed situation because democracy, I can point out several precedents including this one (referendum on EEC in the 70's). Also, the Irish once had a vote and rejected one of the EU treaties and were made to vote again to get the right answer. Also, if we vote leave but the Scots as a region vote stay, we will see another Scottish independence referendum.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't have one, I just don't think it would be quite so simple as it would involve quite a lot of U turning and humiliating 'climb-downs'. And I don't see that the EU would ever be in a position to meet the demands of the Brexiteers, so any offer would fall short of a lot of peoples expectations.

[Nearly Sane]

I think you'll find the morality of the Leave Campaign was being questioned, not people who vote Leave.

I would certainly question the morality of the Leave Campaign, it seems like an orchestrated attempt to lie to the British people. That doesn't make all Leave voters immoral or even all Leave campaigners, but the campaign is immoral in its conduct as far as I can see.

think this relates to the other discussion. Not the mad one about Europa that my reply was related to?

[Nearly Sane]

Would it did the same apply to Denmark?

If there is going to be anything substantial on freedom of movement, I think other referendums would be triggered.

[Nearly Sane]

This is already "another sodding referendum".

Anyway, the answer is yes. Personally, I could see the following scenario as being feasible.

The Leavers win

Boris Johnson takes over as PM

The Europeans offer us a better deal if we change our minds

Boris calls a new referendum on the terms of the better deal.

If you want to argue that we shouldn't have another referendum even with a changed situation because democracy, I can point out several precedents including this one (referendum on EEC in the 70's). Also, the Irish once had a vote and rejected one of the EU treaties and were made to vote again to get the right answer. Also, if we vote leave but the Scots as a region vote stay, we will see another Scottish independence referendum.

There is a big difference in having a referendum 40 odd years after the EEC one, on what has changed hugely in that time and another one in a couple of years. Boris will only get to be PM if he promises many Tories to honour the Vote. Any deal with Europe would set off another leadership challenge, probably by Gove.


This has been too serious, too divisive and is a much bigger decision than the Irish example.


Also I am not convinced about the Scottish referendum, certainly not in the short term. Polls indicate a majority opposed to the idea of another referendum in the result of a UK leave, Scotland stay
 Nicola won't call one unless there is a long period of polls showing Yes in front.

[L.A.]

Also I am not convinced about the Scottish referendum, certainly not in the short term. Polls indicate a majority opposed to the idea of another referendum in the result of a UK leave, Scotland stay
 Nicola won't call one unless there is a long period of polls showing Yes in front.

If the UK voted for OUT and a regional breakdown shows that Scotland solidly voted IN, I thing Nicola would have a very strong case to demand a re-run of the Scottish referendum.

[JP]

My prediction for a leave vote.

If we leave and it goes well, the masses will not benefit.

If we leave and it goes badly, the masses will pay.

[L.A.]

If we leave the markets will go crazy and the speculators with be raking it in - ultimately at our expense.

[Nearly Sane]

If the UK voted for OUT and a regional breakdown shows that Scotland solidly voted IN, I thing Nicola would have a very strong case to demand a re-run of the Scottish referendum.

And she will be under a great deal of pressure from some in her party but unless she is sure of a win, she won't call one.

[jakswan]

If there is going to be anything substantial on freedom of movement, I think other referendums would be triggered.

Link to evidence please?

[jakswan]

And she will be under a great deal of pressure from some in her party but unless she is sure of a win, she won't call one.

Agree if she loses another that will be it for a generation, no really this time.

[Rhiannon]

And she will be under a great deal of pressure from some in her party but unless she is sure of a win, she won't call one.

With the price of Brent crude not likely to recover to $100/barrel for years, if ever, she'd be off her head to do so. Unless she's going to throw out every financial pledge Salmond ever made.

[jeremyp]

Wow a post I almost agree with.

As long as you understand that voting Leave because you want to play that strategy is a highly dangerous game of chicken.

[Jack Knave]

Again I ask you....... what will happen to those who will lose their jobs, homes, experience family, break up because of Brexit.

How long will the NHS have to wait for it's 100 million a week?

Why cannot the Leave campaign commit to zero immigration or even give a figure?

And finally don't forget how the last popular uprising in this country went....The petrol protest? Fucking mayhem followed by a collapse when it was realised as a big Phyrric victory.

You have proof that that will happen?

They are just saying where some of the money could be spent if we leave. They aren't in power and so can't enact it.

The immigration issue is about control, so we allow in those we need. Hopefully we'd do all we can to produce our own home grown skills.

I left that in as I don't know what you are talking about. Perhaps you could explain. The referendum isn't a protest.

[Jack Knave]

Yep Cameron should have set forward the range of options on the ballot paper since he stupidly chose a referendum in the first place.
Another example of Drombey power getting something dumbed down.

That is the full range : Stay or Leave.

[Jack Knave]

No U turns needed, after a Brexit vote the EU will offer the UK reforms, the EU will have broader appeal and another referendum will follow. Just as they do with treaties that voted down, e.g. Denmark and the Maastricht Treaty.

Who, in government or what ever, is going to suggest we have another referendum?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

That is the full range : Stay or Leave.

Yes and what happens when we leave.....and have you any proof for THAT?

[Jack Knave]

Wow a post I almost agree with.

Except it's bollocks, as explained by NS.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

You have proof that that will happen?

Don't you think those people aren't still around?........It was only 16 years ago after all.