The result of the EU referendum:

[Jack Knave]

If the UK voted for OUT and a regional breakdown shows that Scotland solidly voted IN, I thing Nicola would have a very strong case to demand a re-run of the Scottish referendum.

That would prove nothing because the SNP's position on the Scot-Ref was on a strong oil price. Most Scots would shy away from going independent.

[Jack Knave]

If we leave the markets will go crazy and the speculators with be raking it in - ultimately at our expense.

As I've said before if we go down the EU does as well and then the globe.

[Jack Knave]

Don't you think those people aren't still around?........It was only 16 years ago after all.

What the hell are you talking about? My question was about your assertion about future events.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

What the hell are you talking about? My question was about your assertion about future events.

Well Hey, it looks as though I've thought about future consequences
of a brexit....It would have been good if the Leave campaign had.

[Jack Knave]

Yes and what happens when we leave.....and have you any proof for THAT?

Leave should mean leave. What the Tories do with it is another matter.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Leave should mean leave. What the Tories do with it is another matter.

Not really since what they do will be as a consequence of, er, leaving.

What do you think should /will happen?

[Jack Knave]

Well Hey, it looks as though I've thought about future consequences
of a brexit....It would have been good if the Leave campaign had.

Non of the leavers are in government (yet) and the official leave campaign are a little wet, and doesn't include Farage & co. Farage and UKIP are the real Leavers and it's their account which should be the official leave scenario.

[Jack Knave]

Not really since what they do will be as a consequence of, er, leaving.

What do you think should /will happen?

My point was that because the Tories are in power what ever the result is the ball will be in their hands - that's just the way things are.

If we vote leave then we should apply article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty and make a new arrangement with the EU as an independent country. This would give us 2 years to ease into our new situation. We could just nullify the 1972 EEC Act and go on to WTO rules but that could be a bit bumpy. My preferred option would be to amend the 1972 Act so that we immediately stop the undesirable aspects, such as free movement and so on and then negotiate the rest in the next two years.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Non of the leavers are in government (yet) and the official leave campaign are a little wet, and doesn't include Farage & co. Farage and UKIP are the real Leavers and it's their account which should be the official leave scenario.

But, Grayling, Patel and Gove are government ministers.

Real leavers? you either are or you aren't Jack, that's the way things are.

So there are at least two classes of leavers then. That doesn't bode well.

[L.A.]

As I've said before if we go down the EU does as well and then the globe.

No that is absolutely wrong Jack. The EU, with all it's faults is a force for stability. Speculators make their money from instability - exactly the conditions that you and your chums are likely to create for many years if you win the referendum.

And where does all this money come from you might ask? . . .  Ultimately right out of our pockets !

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Non of the leavers are in government (yet) and the official leave campaign are a little wet, and doesn't include Farage & co. Farage and UKIP are the real Leavers and it's their account which should be the official leave scenario.

I don't see how since they only have 1 MP and are not in Government.

[Jack Knave]

But, Grayling, Patel and Gove are government ministers.

Real leavers? you either are or you aren't Jack, that's the way things are.

So there are at least two classes of leavers then. That doesn't bode well.

But it is Cameron's government at the moment and they can't talk as though they can just go in carryout some manifesto plan. All they can do is say what could be done.

Don't follow your second line.

As I said the Tories are in government we can't change that fact overnight. Neither can we change what some see as leaving - that's life!!!

[Jack Knave]

No that is absolutely wrong Jack. The EU, with all it's faults is a force for stability. Speculators make their money from instability - exactly the conditions that you and your chums are likely to create for many years if you win the referendum.

And where does all this money come from you might ask? . . .  Ultimately right out of our pockets !

The EU won't get our membership fee so the others, who are in massive debt will have to pay more. They will not get our 60 billion trade if they refuse us a deal - the EU is stagnating and losing its share of world GDP year on year. The EZ is a basket case and many within the EU are not happy with it and want change. The cards would staked against them and they would crack up. If the EU does then the global market will too.

They, the world, have no choice but to be nice to us.

[L.A.]

But it is Cameron's government at the moment and they can't talk as though they can just go in carryout some manifesto plan. All they can do is say what could be done.

Don't follow your second line.

As I said the Tories are in government we can't change that fact overnight. Neither can we change what some see as leaving - that's life!!!

An OUT vote could well result in a 'perfect storm' where we have an increasingly unpopular Tory government who are doing all the wrong things for the economy, and Corbyns Labour party who are perceived as being even worse!

What a choice!

[Jack Knave]

I don't see how since they only have 1 MP and are not in Government.

I wasn't saying they could because of the situation of the parliament make up, all I was saying was that UKIP are proposing what should be done, all things being equal.

[Jack Knave]

An OUT vote could well result in a 'perfect storm' where we have an increasingly unpopular Tory government who are doing all the wrong things for the economy, and Corbyns Labour party who are perceived as being even worse!

What a choice!

Yes, a perfect storm for UKIP to take power as the people lose faith in the two Westminster bubble parties!!! 

[Walt Zingmatilder]

The EU won't get our membership fee so the others, who are in massive debt will have to pay more. They will not get our 60 billion trade if they refuse us a deal - the EU is stagnating and losing its share of world GDP year on year. The EZ is a basket case and many within the EU are not happy with it and want change. The cards would staked against them and they would crack up. If the EU does then the global market will too.

They, the world, have no choice but to be nice to us.

If immigration treaties are suspended by the UK then the EU has no further need to stop immigration of Non EU nationals from France. Last year the brief and low scale disturbances with the tunnel led to loss to the Kent economy......We can imagine what a retaliatory suspension of border control would be.

saying that the world has no choice but be nice sounds a bit James Bond to me.
They only have to start to be a bit tit for tat to create problems.

The precedent question is therefore. How much was lost to the British economy during Operation Stack and how much was lost to the French economy?

[L.A.]

The EU won't get our membership fee so the others, who are in massive debt will have to pay more. They will not get our 60 billion trade if they refuse us a deal - the EU is stagnating and losing its share of world GDP year on year. The EZ is a basket case and many within the EU are not happy with it and want change. The cards would staked against them and they would crack up. If the EU does then the global market will too.

They, the world, have no choice but to be nice to us.

If you had listened to those 'More or less' broadcasts you would realise that:

A/ There will be no massive 'windfall' from ending our EU subscription.

B/ The size of that payment is small compared to the benefits of membership.

The EU market is still one of the largest and most important in the world, we can't afford to turn our back on it!


The world is not going to come rushing to our rescue if we get ourselves in deep shit.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Yes, a perfect storm for UKIP to take power as the people lose faith in the two Westminster bubble parties!!! 

Twirls moustache..........................

[L.A.]

Yes, a perfect storm for UKIP to take power as the people lose faith in the two Westminster bubble parties!!! 

In that scenario, UKIP would be seen as a major part of the problem - the only ones who might come out 'smelling of roses' would be the Lib Dems.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Yes, a perfect storm for UKIP to take power as the people lose faith in the two Westminster bubble parties!!! 

Meanwhile, for viewers in Scotland.............Ha Ha Ha.

[Gordon]

Meanwhile, for viewers in Scotland.............Ha Ha Ha.

Yep - it is quite puzzling to some of us here in Scotland that UKIP seem to be taken seriously at all elsewhere in the UK.

They did stunningly well in the recent Holyrood election here in contesting the Regional seats, polling a massive 2% of the votes cast and winning a staggering no seats at all.

[L.A.]

Yep - it is quite puzzling to some of us here in Scotland that UKIP seem to be taken seriously at all elsewhere in the UK.

I've always found it strange that people could take such an obvious bunch of clowns seriously - maybe it is a symptom of a serious problem in our educational system?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I've always found it strange that people could take such an obvious bunch of clowns seriously - maybe it is a symptom of a serious problem in our educational system?

Yes......The effect of the removal of pedagogical freedoms from teachers and the loss of the Lefty teacher.

[L.A.]

Yes......The effect of the removal of pedagogical freedoms from teachers and the loss of the Lefty teacher.

No, I think it was probably when they stopped doing metalwork. That kind of hands-on stuff taught you to spot bullshit a mile off.