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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2400 on: June 24, 2016, 09:35:20 AM »
Dear Jeremyp,

We need a plan, you turn off the lights and I will make sure all the doors are closed :(

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Your plan is simple: push for a new independence referendum and get out of the Union while you still can. I was dead against Scottish independence last time, but I cannot stand in your way this time.
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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2401 on: June 24, 2016, 09:37:59 AM »
Your plan is simple: push for a new independence referendum and get out of the Union while you still can. I was dead against Scottish independence last time, but I cannot stand in your way this time.

I feel exactly the same - the English voters have been duped into making the stupidest decision in living memory - the Scots would do well to make a break for it.
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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2402 on: June 24, 2016, 09:41:03 AM »
Let's face it - both campaigns were led by politicians - the Remain lot had no plan of what to do if they lost and Leave had no plan for if they won!

Both sides are now like ducks on a fast river - all serene on top and paddling like buggery underneath.

A couple of points - 10% more peolple voted yesterday than in the last General Election and a majority to Leave of over a million is not what you could call a merginal decision.

How many voted Leave because of the blatant scaremongering of the Remain supporters?

How many voted remain becasue Boris and Farage were for Leave?

And, possibly more importantly, how many didn't have a clue and voted on thge toss of a, even mental, coin.

What happens next?

PROBABLY:

. . . Scotland will demand another Independence referendum;

. . . Sinn Fein will demand a referendum in Northern Ireland on uniting the North and Eire

POSSIBLY

. . . just about anything that you can think of as nobody really knows.

One thing IS for sure - the Gravy Train of British Euro MEP/Bureaucrat expenses and backhanders has just left the tracks! As far as I personally am concerned that is a damn geeat plus!

The rest?

My fingers are tightly crossed.
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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2403 on: June 24, 2016, 09:42:54 AM »

I strongly suspect that a hell of a lot of people who voted Leave are already regretting their actions - They apparently believed that 'Project Fear' was just a ploy!


No, I think that most of them saw it for what it was - blatant and unmitigated blackmail.
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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2404 on: June 24, 2016, 09:47:05 AM »
I blame Hope's prayer groups.

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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2405 on: June 24, 2016, 09:49:06 AM »
Let's face it - both campaigns were led by politicians - the Remain lot had no plan of what to do if they lost and Leave had no plan for if they won!

Both sides are now like ducks on a fast river - all serene on top and paddling like buggery underneath.

A couple of points - 10% more peolple voted yesterday than in the last General Election and a majority to Leave of over a million is not what you could call a merginal decision.

How many voted Leave because of the blatant scaremongering of the Remain supporters?

How many voted remain becasue Boris and Farage were for Leave?

And, possibly more importantly, how many didn't have a clue and voted on thge toss of a, even mental, coin.

What happens next?

PROBABLY:

. . . Scotland will demand another Independence referendum;

. . . Sinn Fein will demand a referendum in Northern Ireland on uniting the North and Eire

POSSIBLY

. . . just about anything that you can think of as nobody really knows.

One thing IS for sure - the Gravy Train of British Euro MEP/Bureaucrat expenses and backhanders has just left the tracks! As far as I personally am concerned that is a damn geeat plus!

The rest?

My fingers are tightly crossed.

I disagree with that analysis Owlswing. It wasn't the responsibility of the Remain campaign to plan for an Leave vote, It's the Leave campaign who told the public that everything was going to be fine - and the media failed to press them on the details

All this turmoil was spelled out by the Remain camp but the Brexiteers just dismissed it as 'Project fear'

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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2406 on: June 24, 2016, 09:50:18 AM »
I feel exactly the same - the English voters have been duped into making the stupidest decision in living memory - the Scots would do well to make a break for it.

Can I add my voice to JEremyP and LA's. Last time I was against Scotland going for independence. I was wrong. Get out as soon as you can.
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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2407 on: June 24, 2016, 09:51:26 AM »
Dear Lapsed and Jeremyp,

It's coming! Nicola Sturgeon has often said, only if the people will it, well we have, Scotland voted overwhelmingly to remain, I honestly can't see any party here in Scotland willing to fight against Independence, Labour are in turmoil, the Tories will be running around wondering who will be our next PM, I am a ordinary voter but if there is even a hint that Boris is in the running I will tear down the Union Flag and raise the Saltire, sad, very sad!

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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2408 on: June 24, 2016, 09:53:18 AM »
I disagree with that analysis Owlswing. It wasn't the responsibility of the Remain campaign to plan for an Leave vote, It's the Leave campaign who told the public that everything was going to be fine - and the media failed to press them on the details

The remain campaign are not government, the debate was over who was going to run the country.
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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2409 on: June 24, 2016, 09:56:14 AM »
I disagree with that analysis Owlswing. It wasn't the responsibility of the Remain campaign to plan for an Leave vote, It's the Leave campaign who told the public that everything was going to be fine - and the media failed to press them on the details

All this turmoil was spelled out by the Remain camp but the Brexiteers just dismissed it as 'Project fear'

"Experts - what do they know?"

That's it, blame everyone else - typical gutless response from a political standpoint!
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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2410 on: June 24, 2016, 10:01:35 AM »
Dear Jakswan,

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The remain campaign are not government, the debate was over who was going to run the country.

Boris!! But Donald Duck is visiting Scotland, I will have a word with him, maybe he wants the job.

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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2411 on: June 24, 2016, 10:04:00 AM »
No, I think that most of them saw it for what it was - blatant and unmitigated blackmail.
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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2412 on: June 24, 2016, 10:21:19 AM »
The remain campaign are not government, the debate was over who was going to run the country.

No I would strongly disagree, the debate was between the xenophobia drummed up by Leave and the economic realities spelt out by Remain - and as someone just said on the radio "Project Fear has become Project Reality"
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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2413 on: June 24, 2016, 10:32:12 AM »
That's it, blame everyone else - typical gutless response from a political standpoint!

We are where we are - in a mess, and today it's difficult not to blame the idiots who got us here. Tomorrow things might look different - who knows!
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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2414 on: June 24, 2016, 10:34:16 AM »
No I would strongly disagree, the debate was between the xenophobia drummed up by Leave and the economic realities spelt out by Remain - and as someone just said on the radio "Project Fear has become Project Reality"

Even now the name calling and scare stories continue. You were never going to change someones mind by calling them names are spouting Tory spin.
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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2415 on: June 24, 2016, 10:38:19 AM »
Even now the name calling and scare stories continue. You were never going to change someones mind by calling them names are spouting Tory spin.

It's a matter of fact - a hell of a lot of people voted Leave simply because they feared immigration. The biggest mistake that Remain made was in failing to communicating the severity of the economic consequences to the public.
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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2416 on: June 24, 2016, 11:14:52 AM »
Dear Jakswan,

Scare stories! is the channel tunnel open for business, who is now guarding our borders, will we still have cross channel cooperation in who we allow to enter the UK.

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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2417 on: June 24, 2016, 11:18:40 AM »
It's a matter of fact - a hell of a lot of people voted Leave simply because they feared immigration.

Its a matter of fact that a hell of lot of people voted leave that do not fear immigration.

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The biggest mistake that Remain made was in failing to communicating the severity of the economic consequences to the public.

Blimey a few days ago we had Cameron almost literally shouting 'won't someone think of the children', you are suggesting the scare stories were not scary enough.
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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2418 on: June 24, 2016, 12:10:52 PM »
I think the English and the Scots need to sort out our differences. The fact is that England, Wales and Scotland are one nation; this is dictated by the geography of Britain. We need to collectively renew our national identity.

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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2419 on: June 24, 2016, 12:20:37 PM »
I probably should have used the word 'country' - we all live in the same country.

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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2420 on: June 24, 2016, 12:24:27 PM »
I think the English and the Scots need to sort out our differences. The fact is that England, Wales and Scotland are one nation; this is dictated by the geography of Britain. We need to collectively renew our national identity.

What might that identity be then Spud, in view of the events of the last 24 hours?

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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2421 on: June 24, 2016, 12:26:53 PM »
Its a matter of fact that a hell of lot of people voted leave that do not fear immigration.


Is it?

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Blimey a few days ago we had Cameron almost literally shouting 'won't someone think of the children', you are suggesting the scare stories were not scary enough.

Not enough people did think of the children.

The reason these stories are scare stories is that they are scary. Look what happened to the pound today.  If you are not scared, you should be.
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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2422 on: June 24, 2016, 12:28:29 PM »
The fact is that England, Wales and Scotland are one nation;
Not for much longer.

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Where were you when the Scottish results came in?
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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2423 on: June 24, 2016, 01:11:42 PM »
Another Leaver lie: he has resigned. You can stop now, you've won.

Nigel Farage has now admitted that the £350 million promise to the NHS was a mistake. He has also said "We need a plan now". What? You mean there isn't one?

I'm sitting in an office with 100's of people who now think they will all lose their jobs because the company will almost certainly relocate to Germany. Do you want to come round here and tell them to their faces that they are better out than in?
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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2424 on: June 24, 2016, 01:19:56 PM »
I wonder what will happen in Northern Ireland, as like Scotland the majority voted to Remain? Is it conceivable it could reunite with the rest of Ireland?