The result of the EU referendum:

[Spud]

Good grief Spud: is there no end to your gullibility!

This is ill-informed US drivel that is both patronising nonsense, where the most notable thing about us Scots is that our 'brogue' is difficult for Americans to understand, but here nothing about the political history behind the UK or that Scotland has its own parliament, legal system, education system etc.

Of course this article comes from a journal with a religious agenda - perhaps you should consider other sources of information.

It is basically saying that if a country does not have a definite boundary such as a range of mountains, a large river or an ocean, then it cannot withstand the tendency in the long term for people in the surrounding area to attempt to absorb it into their territory. Norfolk being the main example.
You judge whether Scotland has that kind of boundary.  Maybe it does, I dont know.

[Gordon]

It is basically saying that if a country does not have a definite boundary such as a range of mountains, a large river or an ocean, then it cannot withstand the tendency in the long term for people in the surrounding area to attempt to absorb it into their territory. Norfolk being the main example.

So, since you used an article from an American journal, why are the U.S.A and Canada not one country since there is no single geographical feature that separates their joint border? In addition, does Alaska and Hawaii not complicate the simplistic approach you're referring to?
   

You judge whether Scotland has that kind of boundary.  Maybe it does, I dont know.

It has a border with England - there are even signs to tell you that on the roads that cross the designated border.

[floo]

It is basically saying that if a country does not have a definite boundary such as a range of mountains, a large river or an ocean, then it cannot withstand the tendency in the long term for people in the surrounding area to attempt to absorb it into their territory. Norfolk being the main example.
You judge whether Scotland has that kind of boundary.  Maybe it does, I dont know.

What a crazy post, DUH!

[jeremyp]

Some lost their jobs because of the EU years ago like the fisherman....

No. fishermen lose their jobs because there literally aren't enough fish in the sea.

We will still have to regulate our own fishing areas to prevent them from becoming barren but our fisherman will no longer be allowed to fish in other EU areas.

[jeremyp]

We will be trading with the rest of the world

Like we already do now.

plus a good arrangement with the EU.

Good luck with that. I don't think we're flavour of the month there.

[jeremyp]

I am thinking of buying a wheelbarrow to handle my share of this £350m a week .

Sorry, but the Bank of England needs £250 billion cash in case the financial system collapses. I'm afraid that's all of our shares of the £350 million for the next thirteen years.

[JP]

Anyone see Digby Jones this morning. Now there is a positive outlook.

I have no idea why Scotland leaving a union would be a wondeful thing, a great opportunity but the UK leaving a union is doom and gloom, a disaster of biblical proportion.

Also nice to see the leavers referred to as the great unwashed. It is exactly this attitude that made it happen. Before Digby Jones there was a bloke from YouGov who made the case for how disenfranchised the "great unwashed" had become over the last 15 - 20 years and he made a good case. Well the chickens have come home to roost and the social and politcal elite have come unstuck. Hows that democracy doing for you all now.

Btw, I voted remain

[jakswan]

I don't think Sturgeon thinks she can win indyref2, but she does realise if uk leaves eu the game is up. So there is nothing lost by going for it.

Looks like dream might die after all Alex.

[Udayana]

There is bound to be a general election before we leave. The SNP will put up candidates all over the the UK, sweep into power and cancel this ridiculous "leaving the EU" nonsense.

Well .. we can dream can't we?

All this "accepting the result" stuff - why exactly? As Conservative and Labor parties are teetering a new pro-EU coalition can be formed and fight it all the way - and build a coalition with EU reformers in other countries to get the reforms needed.

[Bubbles]

There is bound to be a general election before we leave. The SNP will put up candidates all over the the UK, sweep into power and cancel this ridiculous "leaving the EU" nonsense.

Well .. we can dream can't we?

All this "accepting the result" stuff - why exactly? As Conservative and Labor parties are teetering a new pro-EU coalition can be formed and fight it all the way - and build a coalition with EU reformers in other countries to get the reforms needed.

Because accepting the result is what you do in a democracy.

That's what we are told,that we live in a democracy.

For a pro EU group to form and go against the vote is more dictatorship than democracy.

Not offering us the vote is one thing, ignoring it is another and a step to far.

If a pro EU group did what you suggest we are becoming a dictatorship.

Even though I voted remain I'm unhappy about that.

It's the same with the Scottish independance vote, once they vote independance you have to respect that, not find sly and sneaky ways of ignoring it.

Otherwise UK rule becomes a dictatorship.

 

[Nearly Sane]

Watched Jeremy Corbyn and realised that Monty Python had presciently mocked another JC


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QqaQ_Bhgmrc

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I don't think Sturgeon thinks she can win indyref2, but she does realise if uk leaves eu the game is up. So there is nothing lost by going for it.

Looks like dream might die after all Alex.

Again.....What's the Brexit Plan Jak?
36 hours later and there doesn't seem to be one. All the predictions are coming true.
Why and who should trust politicians who let things get to the ''think on your feet stage'' while people change their minds about what they did and the economy goes tits up.

[Nearly Sane]

Alex Massie on Cameron

https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/06/24/david-cameron-was-a-historic-and-disastrous-failure/

[Nearly Sane]

Ian Paisley Jnr has advised all of his constituents to apply for Irish passports. It's a different world.

[Nearly Sane]

Piece from the Irish Times


http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-brexit-fantasy-is-about-to-come-crashing-down-1.2698974#.V24S6rSWxXE.facebook

[Udayana]

Because accepting the result is what you do in a democracy.

That's what we are told,that we live in a democracy.

For a pro EU group to form and go against the vote is more dictatorship than democracy.

Not offering us the vote is one thing, ignoring it is another and a step to far.

If a pro EU group did what you suggest we are becoming a dictatorship.

Even though I voted remain I'm unhappy about that.

It's the same with the Scottish independance vote, once they vote independance you have to respect that, not find sly and sneaky ways of ignoring it.

Otherwise UK rule becomes a dictatorship.

 

Well .. the Bastards nagged and niggled on for 40 years against the previous result and ended up with another referendum.  The other countries could be persuaded of the benefits of some key EU reforms - some are already pressing for them.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

[Nearly Sane]

I still feel this doesn't take account of how people will feel about this but interesting anyway






http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-petition-second-eu-referendum-how-to-get-new-vote-on-uk-membership-a7102646.html

[Nearly Sane]

Alastair Campbell

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/boris-johnson-looked-sick-because-he-has-no-idea-how-fix-national-disaster-hes-bequeathed-us-1567413

[L.A.]

Piece from the Irish Times


http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-brexit-fantasy-is-about-to-come-crashing-down-1.2698974#.V24S6rSWxXE.facebook

I like his analogy of the drunk and the trick with the table cloth - but in the real world, the drunk is lying on the floor surrounded by shattered crockery and denying that there is any problem.

[Jack Knave]

Well, I know there is a big thing now where we are being exhorted to understand and honour the weirdest of ideas but frankly it is ironic given your ideas that you are talking about normal parameters. What is normal about Britain losing billions in a day.

Britain hasn't lost anything the wheeler dealers have and that is only monopoly money at that. You really don't understand the markets do you - they are fixed like Libor.

[Jack Knave]

No. fishermen lose their jobs because there literally aren't enough fish in the sea.

We will still have to regulate our own fishing areas to prevent them from becoming barren but our fisherman will no longer be allowed to fish in other EU areas.

So from that stupid post I gather you don't understand the implications of the CFP.

[Hope]

So from that stupid post I gather you don't understand the implications of the CFP.

Clearly you don't, either.

[Jack Knave]

Like we already do now.

Except any imports from them have tariffs on them pushing up their prices. We will lose those now making our products from the rest of the world cheaper.

Good luck with that. I don't think we're flavour of the month there.

If it doesn't bother Brussels that we have left why are they all shocked and pale faced about the outcome? If they have a free hand to whip our asses for being naughty boys and girls why are they talking about giving us a fair deal and keeping us as partners in the growth and future of the EU?

[Hope]

Avaaz have sent this to all their supporters, who will - of course - be saddened by the outcome.  I believe that those of us who voted for Remain have got to ensure that the best is made of a bad thing:

Dear Avaazers,

Today is a painful and shocking day for Britain, for Europe, and for our world.

 But, in one way, it may have been what we needed.

 The progress we have built in our world of openness, tolerance, and interconnection is not something we can take for granted, it must be continuously, vigilantly sustained. The institutions we build to connect us must live in our hearts and minds, not just as bureaucratically functional tools. We need an ethic, spirit and culture of human connection and unity to keep the dark forces of our past - nationalism, racism - at bay.

 Much of the campaign for Britain to remain in the EU was fought on fear and dry self-interest - how much money someone stood to lose or make. Our community beautifully brought love and unity to the equation, but it was not enough, this time, to win. A couple of fear-mongering newspaper editors and opportunist politicians helped persuade 51.9% of the public to blame the EU for what ailed them.

But we must not falter now - this is one battle on a larger tapestry and the forces of fear and division are rising - from other nationalisms destroying Europe, to Donald Trump threatening generations of progress on racism and unity in the US, to much more. We must make Brexit a call to arms for our movement, a spark that reignites our passion to defend and renew the project of human peace and unity that our parents and grandparents wisely advanced from their painful experience.

 The youth of Britain backed Europe by massive margins, as they also oppose Trump and his ilk. The future is with us, if we can carry the banner long enough to hand it off to the next generations. Let's gather our courage and commitment to fight for the world we all dream of. Click here to share a message of inspiration, solidarity and hope for the road ahead:

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/love_will_win/?bPAPckb&v=78405&cl=10283610689&_checksum=03b35050302015d705bfb23a4b81379b84749a97185a915224dc183348d5dc62


Over the past weeks our community rose and let its light shine in a beautiful way -- hundreds of thousands of us around Europe met the politics of fear and division with love and unity -- donating for ads and actions that covered the front pages of the media, coming out for love on the streets, calling to remove the editor from a newspaper spewing fear, and making thousands of phone calls to citizens to vote Remain.


 

 Many UK voters - especially older voters in rural areas of England - were persuaded that Europe and the immigration it brought was threatening their communities, freedom and prosperity. Some just wanted any change to the status quo. Much of this had to do with a section of Britain's unscrupulous media who turned themselves into naked propagandists for Brexit. But our broader movement also needs to do better on immigration - ensuring that policy choices about levels of immigration are backed up by hearts and minds. This is a weakness in many countries that movements of fear and division are keen to exploit.

 New and serious battles are coming fast -- Trump in the US, Le Pen in France, and Farage in the UK.

 But we are a rising and powerful movement. We will meet each of these crusaders trying to drive us apart with our love and determination. And to win we are going to have to get even bigger and better to address the spreading viral cocktail of fear, nationalism and racism.

 It is out of these darkest moments that new dawns are born. Jo Cox MP, who was assassinated last week, said "we are far more united and have far more in common than that which divides us." We must now listen to each other, and not let the fear-mongering forces that killed her triumph. To honour her let’s commit to work together to carry her banner of love.

 Click to share your own message of unity and power with others. Let’s refuel with solidarity and love for the fights ahead, and show that nothing will stop us.

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/love_will_win/?bPAPckb&v=78405&cl=10283610689&_checksum=03b35050302015d705bfb23a4b81379b84749a97185a915224dc183348d5dc62


With hope and gratitude,

 Ricken, Alice, Emma, Christoph, Luis, Iain, Mia, Melanie, Fatima, Ben, Allison, Rewan, Adam, Dan and the whole Avaaz team.

[Jack Knave]

Watched Jeremy Corbyn and realised that Monty Python had presciently mocked another JC


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QqaQ_Bhgmrc

He's not the Labour leader he's a very naughty boy!!!