The result of the EU referendum:

[Jack Knave]

Clearly you don't, either.

Clearly you haven't read the preceding posts to this.

[L.A.]

Watched Jeremy Corbyn and realised that Monty Python had presciently mocked another JC


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QqaQ_Bhgmrc

For a moment I actually thought it was Corbyn in that video.

[Hope]

Clearly you haven't read the preceding posts to this.

Actually, I have, and thought that you didn't understand what you were talking about even then.  I even picked you up on some of those incidents.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Farage now says we were heading for recession anyway.

[jeremyp]

Because accepting the result is what you do in a democracy.

Why, when it is so obviously a mistake?

Democracy means that we are allowed to change our minds.

[ad_orientem]

It's the European way, it seems, to ignore the will of the people. They did it in Denmark and Ireland. Let's hope they don't do it in England.

[Nearly Sane]

It's the European way, it seems, to ignore the will of the people. They did it in Denmark and Ireland. Let's hope they don't do it in England.

or Scotland and Northern Ireland?

[jeremyp]

It's the European way, it seems, to ignore the will of the people. They did it in Denmark and Ireland. Let's hope they don't do it in England.

It's still the will of the majority of people in the EU that the EU continues. Why are you hell bent on denying them their will?

[Brownie]

The will of the majority of the people is not ignored in this country ad-o.  We are 'out' aren't we?  Because the majority wanted it so, or so it appeared at the polls.  Never mind that it is a small majority and some leavers are now regretting it, that's what happened.

What happened in Denmark and Ireland that makes you think it is the European way to deny the will of the people?

[ad_orientem]

The will of the majority of the people is not ignored in this country ad-o.  We are 'out' aren't we?  Because the majority wanted it so, or so it appeared at the polls.  Never mind that it is a small majority and some leavers are now regretting it, that's what happened.

What happened in Denmark and Ireland that makes you think it is the European way to deny the will of the people?

Denmark voted against Maastricht Treaty and Ireland against Lisbon Treaty.

[Brownie]

I got this from Wiki:
The Maastricht Treaty (formally, the Treaty on European Union or TEU) undertaken to integrate Europe was signed on 7 February 1992 by the members of the European Community in Maastricht, Netherlands. On 9–10 December 1991, the same city hosted the European Council which drafted the treaty.

Later:

The process of ratifying the treaty was fraught with difficulties in three states. In Denmark, the first Danish Maastricht Treaty referendum was held on 2 June 1992 but a shortfall of fewer than 50,000 votes resulted in the treaty not being ratified.[7] After the failure, alterations were made to the treaty through the addition of the Edinburgh Agreement which lists four Danish exceptions. The treaty was eventually ratified the following year on 18 May 1993 after a second referendum was held in Denmark,[8] with legal effect after the formally granted royal assent on 9 June 1993

so it seems the Danes changed their minds.

It appears the Lisbon treaty was eventually accepted in Ireland.  The Irish are now, at any rate, overwhelming pro-EU.

Like us here in the UK, any country can have a referendum and leave the EU if the majority want it.

[Nearly Sane]

Deeply  worrying if correct


http://www.southwales-eveningpost.co.uk/tata-steel-bidders-get-cold-feet-over-brexit/story-29443384-detail/story.html#ixzz4CbqbziYS

[jeremyp]

Deeply  worrying if correct


http://www.southwales-eveningpost.co.uk/tata-steel-bidders-get-cold-feet-over-brexit/story-29443384-detail/story.html#ixzz4CbqbziYS

There are going to be many stories like this as the next few months go by. In this case, I was pretty pessimistic anyway. Brexit probably only seals the inevitable fate of the industry.

[Nearly Sane]

Mystic Clegg

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/will-wake-vote-leave/

[jeremyp]

Mystic Clegg

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/will-wake-vote-leave/

Good thing it was dated 22nd June. Or I would have believed he wrote it yesterday.

[Sebastian Toe]

Like us here in the UK, any country can have a referendum and leave the EU if the majority want it.

...or, like the Danes...

after a second referendum was held in Denmark

...we in the UK can have a second go and reverse the first one?! 

[Brownie]

Yes we can.  I hope we do because so many are shocked at the result and those who didn't or, for some reason, couldn't, vote first time round will make sure they do next time.

[Nearly Sane]

Yes we can.  I hope we do because so many are shocked at the result and those who didn't or, for some reason, couldn't, vote first time round will make sure they do next time.

And if it is 48/52 the other way should it be best of 3?

[L.A.]

Deeply  worrying if correct


http://www.southwales-eveningpost.co.uk/tata-steel-bidders-get-cold-feet-over-brexit/story-29443384-detail/story.html#ixzz4CbqbziYS

That was predictable and very much the shape of things to come I suspect.

Maybe Boris would like to pay them a visit and explain how this is going to provide a better future for them all.

[Gordon]

Saw this is the current BBC live update on Brexit/Corbyn. So, I'm wondering where the savings are coming from.

German MP Michael Fuchs, a senior ally of Chancellor Angela Merkel, spoke to the Today programme a short time ago.

With a chuckle, he made it clear things were going to have to change.

"Either you are in a club or you are out of a club. If you are in a club you have to follow the rules. If you are out of the club, there will be different rules," he said.

Asked if it would be possible for the UK to retain access to the single market, he replied: "It will be possible, of course, but not for free.

"You have to see with Norway, with Switzerland, you have to pay a certain fee. And the per capita fee of Norway is exactly the same as what Britain is now paying into the EU. So there won't be any savings."

[Udayana]

And if it is 48/52 the other way should it be best of 3?

The Danes caused the treaty to change before ratifying with the second referendum. Here, the terms of membership would need to change, ie. some appropriate EU reforms agreed. Some of the Leave leeders would need to switch sides.

[Brownie]

And if it is 48/52 the other way should it be best of 3?

That's a very good point NS.  I did wonder if there would have been such a rush to have another vote if the result had been different.
There has to be a cut off point, one more vote and that's it I think, otherwise it sets a precedent.  It will anyway so shouldn't be made worse.

[Nearly Sane]

That's a very good point NS.  I did wonder if there would have been such a rush to have another vote if the result had been different.
There has to be a cut off point, one more vote and that's it I think, otherwise it sets a precedent.  It will anyway so shouldn't be made worse.

And why would the next one be the important one? If part of the reason for people voting leave is they think metropolitan elites ignore them, then the message sent out by this is of course we do you racist oiks.

[jeremyp]

That's a very good point NS.  I did wonder if there would have been such a rush to have another vote if the result had been different.
There has to be a cut off point, one more vote and that's it I think, otherwise it sets a precedent.  It will anyway so shouldn't be made worse.

No.

There can be no artificial limits to the number of times the British people change their minds, but there should be solid evidence that the British people have changed their minds or a change in circumstances that would would reasonably leads us to believe the British people could change their minds.

Right now, there is no strong evidence that another referendum would go the other way, so we shouldn't rerun it. If, in a couple of months time, the economy has tanked, British companies are queueing up to move to Dublin and opinion polls are overwhelmingly for not triggering article 50, maybe we should rerun the referendum or maybe the new PM should just ignore the current one.

[L.A.]

Saw this is the current BBC live update on Brexit/Corbyn. So, I'm wondering where the savings are coming from.

It depressing because it's exactly what you would have expected to happen  . . . unfortunately a large number of voters were naive enough to believe the Brexit lies.