The result of the EU referendum:

[Gonnagle]

Dear Forum,

Just for the record and I will post this on all the threads concerning Brexit, why? It has to be shouted loud and clear.

This whole debacle, this absolute mess, this catastrophe lies at the feet of the Conservative Party, this EU Referendum was a party political stunt, it never had the thoughts and wishes of the people of Great Britain uppermost.

We now have a nation divided, the Scots are shouting Independence, Northern Ireland are also talking about joining the Republic and both those countries are now wondering about border controls.

Our Capital city ( London ) voted overwhelmingly to remain the rest of England voted to exit, we now have a nation totally divided, our nation is in turmoil because of Tory infighting.

Our Prime Minister ( a Tory ) has washed his hands of the whole mess, we are now left with Tories who don’t have a clue about a way forward.

I have often said that ( long before we even considered a EU Referendum )  the Tory party is the most unchristian, unBritish party we have.

Time for the Conservative Party to disband, give them their marching orders, we a fed up with a party that plays politics, that plays with the life’s of every citizen of Great Britain, they have forfeited the right to stand in our House of Commons, the only thing that mattered to a Tory was the Conservative Party the rights of a British citizen came second, they are a boil on the backside of Great Britain, time to lance that boil.

Gonnagle.

[L.A.]

That's fine G, but unfortunately we don't have a 'Government in waiting'

[Spud]

Saw this is the current BBC live update on Brexit/Corbyn. So, I'm wondering where the savings are coming from.

If we are out of the EU but in the single market and a time of crisis came in which it might be useful to be able to leave the single market,  would this be easier to do than if we were still in the EU?

[Gonnagle]

Dear Lapsed,

We have a House of Commons stacked full of politicians who do have the will of the people uppermost in their minds, give Brexit to them, take it away from Tories before they break it completely.

Here's a thought, a coalition of all parties minus of course the traitorous Tories, and if you are looking for a suitable candidate for Prime Minister, I am sure our Nicola wouldn't mind a wee holiday down south until we all sort out the brexit mess.

[BeRational]

Dear Lapsed,

We have a House of Commons stacked full of politicians who do have the will of the people uppermost in their minds, give Brexit to them, take it away from Tories before they break it completely.

Here's a thought, a coalition of all parties minus of course the traitorous Tories, and if you are looking for a suitable candidate for Prime Minister, I am sure our Nicola wouldn't mind a wee holiday down south until we all sort out the brexit mess.

Why do you blame the Tories all the time?

The government were for REMAIN. This is NOT what most of the Tories wanted, not most of the Labour MP's either.

[L.A.]

Dear Lapsed,

We have a House of Commons stacked full of politicians who do have the will of the people uppermost in their minds, give Brexit to them, take it away from Tories before they break it completely.

Here's a thought, a coalition of all parties minus of course the traitorous Tories, and if you are looking for a suitable candidate for Prime Minister, I am sure our Nicola wouldn't mind a wee holiday down south until we all sort out the brexit mess.

Government of National Unity - I suppose it could work if any of the parties had had a leader.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Berational,

I read one of your earlier posts regarding who should vote and you also stated that there should be some kind of exam to pass before you are allowed to vote, the fact is, the very sad fact, we should never have had a EU referendum, well not until we had all the facts, not until a brexit plan had been put on the table, this mess has been a rail crash waiting to happen, we have gone at it at the speed of light with no thought for the consequences, this lies firmly at the feet of the Tories, don't blame Farage, this is a Tory stunt gone badly wrong.

Gonnagle.

[JP]

What Gonnagle says ^^^^^^

Cameron shot himself in the foot in the most spectacular way and screwed eveone when he did so.

[L.A.]

What Gonnagle says ^^^^^^

Cameron shot himself in the foot in the most spectacular way and screwed eveone when he did so.

He thought he was on a safe wicket - no one would really be stupid enough to vote for Leave - could they?

But the British electrate proved him wrong 

[Nearly Sane]

Indeed

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/okay-what-the-jesus-fking-balls-is-going-on-asks-britain-20160627109859

[jeremyp]

Why do you blame the Tories all the time?

The government were for REMAIN. This is NOT what most of the Tories wanted, not most of the Labour MP's either.

It's simple: we only had the referendum at all because Cameron wanted to stop the racist wing of his party from destroying it.

Had Cameron not promised a referendum in the last manifesto, maybe we wouldn't have a Conservative government (bad for him) but we certainly wouldn't have this horrible mess.

[BeRational]

It's simple: we only had the referendum at all because Cameron wanted to stop the racist wing of his party from destroying it.

Had Cameron not promised a referendum in the last manifesto, maybe we wouldn't have a Conservative government (bad for him) but we certainly wouldn't have this horrible mess.

But the Tories and Labour supported REMAIN.

We can only blame the people for the mistake.

[L.A.]

But the Tories and Labour supported REMAIN.

We can only blame the people for the mistake.

I think you could argue that Remain's problem was that they were too honest and they faced a bunch of people who could look you in the eye while lying through their teeth.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Berational,

No, the people were pushed, bullied, I am not a intelligent guy but even I can figure out why leavers voted leave, they have been let down by Tory austerity and of course Blairite thinking, this is why so many Labour supporters voted leave.

Gonnagle.

[L.A.]

Dear Berational,

No, the people were pushed, bullied, I am not a intelligent guy but even I can figure out why leavers voted leave, they have been let down by Tory austerity and of course Blairite thinking, this is why so many Labour supporters voted leave.

Gonnagle.

A significant number voted Leave because they wanted "to get rid of those bloody foreigners"

[Gonnagle]

Dear Lapsed,

Yes, immigration has not been handled well by Tory and Labour governments, and the real shame is that we have another thread running showing the racist side of all this nonsense

Gonnagle.

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Dear Lapsed,

Yes, immigration has not been handled well by Tory and Labour governments, and the real shame is that we have another thread running showing the racist side of all this nonsense

Gonnagle.

The neo-liberals are, of course, in favour of it. Cheap labour.

[L.A.]

The neo-liberals are, of course, in favour of it. Cheap labour.

Unless you favour a Soviet style  economy, you must let labour rates find their own level (though the minimum wage does set a lower limit)

If you want to earn more money you are free to get a better job.

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Unless you favour a Soviet style  economy, you must let labour rates find their own level (though the minimum wage does set a lower limit)

If you want to earn more money you are free to get a better job.

Not at all. There aren't only two options.

[BeRational]

Dear Berational,

No, the people were pushed, bullied, I am not a intelligent guy but even I can figure out why leavers voted leave, they have been let down by Tory austerity and of course Blairite thinking, this is why so many Labour supporters voted leave.

Gonnagle.

I think immigration was a big factor.

[L.A.]

Not at all. There aren't only two options.

I think there are only two principles: Employers pay the market rate for a job or salaries set are by some legal process - which would amount to massive state intervention.

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I think there are only two principles: Employers pay the market rate for a job or salaries set are by some legal process - which would amount to massive state intervention.

There are in theory an infinite number of mixed economic systems. Why shouldn't the state intervene where it sees fit? But then I veer quite a way to the left on economic issues. For a start I would renationalise many industries. The austerity of the EU and the idea we need mass immigration is a lie.

[L.A.]

There are in theory an infinite number of mixed economic systems. Why shouldn't the state intervene where it sees fit? But then I veer quite a way to the left on economic issue. For a start I would renationalise many industries, for a start. The austerity of the EU and the idea we need mass immigration is a lie.

There we would differ - industry generally does better without interference from government imo and industries should not be nationalised because they then become political 'footballs'.

Migration has generally worked well for the UK, actually creating jobs in some industries such as agriculture.

[Brownie]

People employ immigrant labour, semi-skilled and skilled (eg plumbers), because they are efficient, reliable and cheerful.  Anyone who has been ripped off and let down by builders who disappear for weeks and can't be contacted will know what I am talking about.  It's not all about what is paid.

Eastern European migrants have also been employed doing jobs like picking turnips, which the indigenous population will not do.

I've no problem at all with immigrants.

[Bubbles]

The PM is on BBC news atm

Live house of commons