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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2575 on: June 27, 2016, 05:18:41 PM »
But the Tories and Labour supported REMAIN.

There would have been no remain and no leave campaign if there had been no referendum.

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We can only blame the people for the mistake.
We can also blame the politicians for underestimating the stupid. We can blame the Leave campaign for being such convincing liars. We can blame the Remain campaign for failing despite having the facts on its side. We can even blame the EU (as my French boss in Brussels did today) for failing to connect with the British and inspiring them with the European dream.

There are lots of reasons why this has happened.  There is plenty of blame to share round.
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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2576 on: June 27, 2016, 05:20:01 PM »

If you want to earn more money you are free to get a better job.

Or move to a country that pays better.. oh, sorry, that option has gone.
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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2577 on: June 27, 2016, 05:40:32 PM »
We can even blame the EU (as my French boss in Brussels did today) for failing to connect with the British and inspiring them with the European dream.

What European dream? This is the reality of "European dream".

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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2578 on: June 27, 2016, 05:59:50 PM »
What European dream?
The dream of the countries of Europe working together for a better future.

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This is the reality of "European dream".

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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2579 on: June 27, 2016, 06:09:56 PM »
The dream of the countries of Europe working together for a better future.

It is not working, though, and it never can. It is a failed experiment.
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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2580 on: June 27, 2016, 06:16:49 PM »
It is not working, though, and it never can. It is a failed experiment.
It may be a failed experiment now we have given it a good kicking, but t didn't have to be.
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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2581 on: June 27, 2016, 06:32:44 PM »
A vote for remain was always a vote for all the neo-liberal excesses it currently stands for: ever increasing centralisation, austerity, mass immigration, multinational corporation tax avoidance etc.
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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2582 on: June 27, 2016, 07:23:30 PM »
Just heard that Germany is planning to "come down pretty hard on Britain". The reason: To deter other countries from attempting to leave.

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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2583 on: June 27, 2016, 08:39:01 PM »
Well, I know there is a big thing now where we are being exhorted to understand and honour the weirdest of ideas but frankly it is ironic given your ideas that you are talking about normal parameters. What is normal about Britain losing billions in a day.
Look at the %ages. They are small. The markets are worth 10s of trillions - and we haven't lost anything the bankers have and it is gossamer money anyway.

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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2584 on: June 28, 2016, 09:29:29 AM »
Look at the %ages. They are small. The markets are worth 10s of trillions - and we haven't lost anything the bankers have and it is gossamer money anyway.

Before the referendum, Brexit seemed to think our £350m per week payment to the EU (actually a lie) was a lot of money but suddenly the loss of a few tens of billions is considered insignificant?
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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2585 on: June 28, 2016, 10:41:30 AM »
Look at the %ages. They are small. The markets are worth 10s of trillions - and we haven't lost anything the bankers have and it is gossamer money anyway.

Do you have a pension? Because if you do, I can tell you, it is worth significantly less now than it was a week ago. This is unfortunate, because at the same time, everything you buy in the shops is about to get much more expensive.

Plus the drop in Britain's credit rating means that the amount more that we have to pay to service our debt is more than the savings of EU membership fees.
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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2586 on: June 28, 2016, 06:27:39 PM »
Before the referendum, Brexit seemed to think our £350m per week payment to the EU (actually a lie) was a lot of money but suddenly the loss of a few tens of billions is considered insignificant?
Show me you know what you are talking about and explain where this money has been lost to the UK economy and public finance?

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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2587 on: June 28, 2016, 06:46:41 PM »
Do you have a pension? Because if you do, I can tell you, it is worth significantly less now than it was a week ago. This is unfortunate, because at the same time, everything you buy in the shops is about to get much more expensive.

Plus the drop in Britain's credit rating means that the amount more that we have to pay to service our debt is more than the savings of EU membership fees.
Lie 1 from Jeremy : Our pensions have been dropping for ages because of the fucking banking system and Neo-Liberal project/Elites. If you want our pensions to get the returns they once did in the good old days you need to destroy the venal financial system.

Lie 2 from Jeremy : Why are our pricing going to go up? 'Up' must mean hugely because our prices are relatively low compared to some countries on this planet. Also, if they do go up in the short term that would be quit understandable under the present transitory period we are in. Nothing to write home about.

Lie 3 from Jeremy : The additional amount that we may be paying might in the short term be so but this Brexit is a long term project and a little British spirit will carry us through. Again, this is due to the crappy financial system which we bailed out - that's where our true extra interest payments come from. Destroy the banking system and we can get our debts right down, instead of all this QE shit.

Note, to bail out the banks we had to borrow the money....from who I hear you ask, oh yes, the banks who were insolvent at the time of bailing them out - work that one out, Jeremy!!!

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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2588 on: June 28, 2016, 07:09:31 PM »

Sounds very unlikely that anyone in this country would be happy to live in a country where the banking system had been destroyed. Do you have any examples of such happy states? Have you tried living in one?
Ah, but I was so much older then ... I'm younger than that now

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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2589 on: June 28, 2016, 07:12:19 PM »
Sounds very unlikely that anyone in this country would be happy to live in a country where the banking system had been destroyed. Do you have any examples of such happy states? Have you tried living in one?

Yes, the banking system along with usury needs to be destroyed. It is a crime which cries out to heaven to be dealt a deadly blow.
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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2590 on: June 28, 2016, 07:55:19 PM »
Yes, the baking system along with usury needs to be destroyed. It is a crime which cries out to heaven to be dealt a deadly blow.

If you don't like cake, noones forcing you! You could always move to a country intolerant of usury though these also tend to be countries where everything belongs to one family.

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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2591 on: June 28, 2016, 08:15:38 PM »
This is Paul Hellyer, former Canadian minister of defence explaining why the monetary system has to be changed, and is in effect legalised fraud:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXYk5SV3KWM


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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2592 on: June 28, 2016, 08:29:10 PM »
Sounds very unlikely that anyone in this country would be happy to live in a country where the banking system had been destroyed. Do you have any examples of such happy states? Have you tried living in one?
Firstly, the system we have, the Neo-Liberal one, is only one of many ways of doing it. Secondly, what they do is not banking it is gambling at our expense. Thirdly, Iceland put many of their bankers in jail and have removed the banking system we use from their land. They are growing sustainably though it has been tough for them but the future is on the up, all things being equal. Greece, however, who are entrenched in the Neo-Liberal austerity approach is bombing and becoming a third world country.

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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2593 on: June 28, 2016, 11:40:42 PM »
This is Paul Hellyer, former Canadian minister of defence explaining why the monetary system has to be changed, and is in effect legalised fraud:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXYk5SV3KWM
And here is Paul on aliens

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F8sIXlbzG1o

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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2594 on: June 29, 2016, 12:07:11 AM »
Wow!  I never knew that, mind you I used to look out of my bedroom window in the early morning, onto the allotments, expecting to see a crater with Martians in it; that was when I was a child, after reading HG Wells.

The Canadians have some very strange ideas about us over here, I've noticed that from posting with a (very nice) Canadian person on another forum.   Not that Paul Hellyer was talking about us, he talked about the monetary system in general.  'The Money Mafia' is the name of a book he wrote and promotes which I won't read as my mind will wander;  If anyone else does and summarises it on here I'll read the summary.

Funny to think he was a government minister.

I wonder what David Icke has to say about the EU referendum.
Here it is:
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and here's something on the monetary system:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt_z50huFSw
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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2595 on: June 29, 2016, 02:01:57 AM »
Lie 1 from Jeremy : Our pensions have been dropping for ages because of the fucking banking system

Wrong. At least mine hasn't been.

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and Neo-Liberal project/Elites. If you want our pensions to get the returns they once did in the good old days you need to destroy the venal financial system.

You're a total idiot. Don't you understand how pensions work? You make contributions which get invested in the venal financial system so that they grow in value in real terms. Destroy the financial system and you destroy all pensions.

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Lie 2 from Jeremy : Why are our pricing going to go up? 'Up' must mean hugely because our prices are relatively low compared to some countries on this planet.

Which countries?


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Lie 3 from Jeremy : The additional amount that we may be paying might in the short term be so but this Brexit is a long term project and a little British spirit will carry us through.

Oh just fuck off. British spirit doesn't pay the heating bill.
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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2596 on: June 29, 2016, 07:08:20 AM »
Yes, the banking system along with usury needs to be destroyed. It is a crime which cries out to heaven to be dealt a deadly blow.

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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2597 on: June 29, 2016, 07:31:57 AM »
Have you ever thought perhaps you might be happier living in North Korea ad_orientem ?

Eh?
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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2598 on: June 29, 2016, 07:54:13 AM »
Eh?

You seem to reject all the fundamentals of capitalism so I thought you might prefer the alternative.
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Re: The result of the EU referendum:
« Reply #2599 on: June 29, 2016, 09:17:44 AM »
You seem to reject all the fundamentals of capitalism so I thought you might prefer the alternative.

I'm against neo-liberalism and all its excesses. For you, it seems, there are only two choices: the two extremes. I reject both. I tend to the left, though, and reject anti-Christian usury.
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