The result of the EU referendum:

[Hope]

I am unhappy with this government in a great many ways , but they appear to be pretty safe as long as the Corbynistas rule Labour.

... and the SNP rule Scotland and UKIP have quite such a hold over previously Labour voters!!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

... and the SNP rule Scotland and UKIP have quite such a hold over previously Labour voters!!

Hark, is that the sound of Francoist gloating?.

[Nearly Sane]

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[T8-eh-T8]

I come to this thread very late and obviously haven't read the 110 pages, but will not allow my lack of research or knowledge to inhibit my posting. 

I voted leave.

Naturally I have been branded as a rascist, racist, bigot, little Englander &.c.

But I wish to clarify my position. I feel no nationalism. I am not proud too be British, I am grateful, I acknowledge my luck, but I cannot feel pride in something I made no contribution to. I feel that Britain is the best place in the world to live. For that reason I understand and welcome that people might want to move here.

But I have beef with the EU as an organisation. I think it started out as an idealistic, Socialist utopian vision. But over the past forty years we have seen it develop into something else. Like the precious goldilocks, centre ground of Western politics, the EU has become the prevail of a Corporate control. It is run for the benefit of the elite. Secret trade deals, legislation influenced by and sustaining big business interests. The term 'gravy train' is a bye word for a culture of greed and corruption found in thee EU.

I know that our own government is not perfect. But it has a level of accountability which the EU does not. MPs have surgeries, they respond to letters and emails and if they don't you have avenues of redress. Not so with Brussels. Which is the direction my thoughts head towards. The vision of the EU is a political one. The debate in the UK is pragmatic, how much? How many? That kind of discussion. But in Europe thee discussion is different. It is about a European project, of political union, of a federal Europe.

But I feel that the larger the government, the less direct accountability there is to the individual. I recall the horror shown by US senators when viewing BBCs Question Time. They found it unimaginable that senior politicians would be face to face with us, the great unwashed.

So when given the option to leave what is known to be corrupt, what is becoming less accountable and increasingly manipulated by the greedy, i said yes.

I hope our cousins on the continent join us and we can redesign things for our mutual benefit. Perhaps be able to show more compassion for the needy and less tolerance for the crooked.

[jeremyp]

I come to this thread very late and obviously haven't read the 110 pages, but will not allow my lack of research or knowledge to inhibit my posting. 

I voted leave.

Naturally I have been branded as a rascist, racist, bigot, little Englander &.c.

But I wish to clarify my position. I feel no nationalism. I am not proud too be British, I am grateful, I acknowledge my luck, but I cannot feel pride in something I made no contribution to. I feel that Britain is the best place in the world to live. For that reason I understand and welcome that people might want to move here.

But I have beef with the EU as an organisation. I think it started out as an idealistic, Socialist utopian vision. But over the past forty years we have seen it develop into something else. Like the precious goldilocks, centre ground of Western politics, the EU has become the prevail of a Corporate control. It is run for the benefit of the elite. Secret trade deals, legislation influenced by and sustaining big business interests. The term 'gravy train' is a bye word for a culture of greed and corruption.

I know that our own government is not perfect. But it has a level of accountability which the EU does not. MPs have surgeries, they respond to letters and emails and if they don't you have avenues of redress. Not so with Brussels. Which is the direction my thoughts head towards. The vision of the EU is a political one. The debate in the UK is pragmatic, how much? How many? That kind of discussion. But in Europe thee discussion is different. It is about a European project, of political union, of a federal Europe.

But I feel that the larger the government, the less direct accountability there is to the individual. I recall the horror shown by US senators when viewing BBCs Question Time. They found it unimaginable that senior politicians would be face to face with us, the great unwashed.

So when given the option to leave what is known to be corrupt, what is becoming less accountable and increasingly manipulated by the greedy, i said yes.

I hope our cousins on the continent join us and we can redesign things for our mutual benefit. Perhaps be able to show more co passion for the needy and less tolerance for the crooked.

Have you got any evidence to substantiate any of that or is it just what you have been fed by our rabid media?

[T8-eh-T8]

That would be the rabid media then. 

[SweetPea]

I come to this thread very late and obviously haven't read the 110 pages, but will not allow my lack of research or knowledge to inhibit my posting. 

I voted leave.

Naturally I have been branded as a rascist, racist, bigot, little Englander &.c.

But I wish to clarify my position. I feel no nationalism. I am not proud too be British, I am grateful, I acknowledge my luck, but I cannot feel pride in something I made no contribution to. I feel that Britain is the best place in the world to live. For that reason I understand and welcome that people might want to move here.

But I have beef with the EU as an organisation. I think it started out as an idealistic, Socialist utopian vision. But over the past forty years we have seen it develop into something else. Like the precious goldilocks, centre ground of Western politics, the EU has become the prevail of a Corporate control. It is run for the benefit of the elite. Secret trade deals, legislation influenced by and sustaining big business interests. The term 'gravy train' is a bye word for a culture of greed and corruption found in thee EU.

I know that our own government is not perfect. But it has a level of accountability which the EU does not. MPs have surgeries, they respond to letters and emails and if they don't you have avenues of redress. Not so with Brussels. Which is the direction my thoughts head towards. The vision of the EU is a political one. The debate in the UK is pragmatic, how much? How many? That kind of discussion. But in Europe thee discussion is different. It is about a European project, of political union, of a federal Europe.

But I feel that the larger the government, the less direct accountability there is to the individual. I recall the horror shown by US senators when viewing BBCs Question Time. They found it unimaginable that senior politicians would be face to face with us, the great unwashed.

So when given the option to leave what is known to be corrupt, what is becoming less accountable and increasingly manipulated by the greedy, i said yes.

I hope our cousins on the continent join us and we can redesign things for our mutual benefit. Perhaps be able to show more compassion for the needy and less tolerance for the crooked.

Welcome back T8, your wonderful OPs have been missed here (by me anyway).

Excellent post which echoes my thoughts, entirely. I'm not agin immigration either albeit no doubt some terrorists will be accessing our shores. It's sad that many 'leavers' have been given labels such as 'racist' when many have views similar to yours and mine. The mainstream media has been no help in that respect plus it is almost impossible to find any background through MSM on the EU and thus many do not realise the power structure and control that the leaders of the organisation hold. You may just be lucky to come across an article on this in the Independent. So, you have to dig. I'd never heard of the Bilderbergers until I did some research.

Hope you hang around for a while.

[Jack Knave]

I come to this thread very late and obviously haven't read the 110 pages, but will not allow my lack of research or knowledge to inhibit my posting. 

I voted leave.

Naturally I have been branded as a rascist, racist, bigot, little Englander &.c.

But I wish to clarify my position. I feel no nationalism. I am not proud too be British, I am grateful, I acknowledge my luck, but I cannot feel pride in something I made no contribution to. I feel that Britain is the best place in the world to live. For that reason I understand and welcome that people might want to move here.

But I have beef with the EU as an organisation. I think it started out as an idealistic, Socialist utopian vision. But over the past forty years we have seen it develop into something else. Like the precious goldilocks, centre ground of Western politics, the EU has become the prevail of a Corporate control. It is run for the benefit of the elite. Secret trade deals, legislation influenced by and sustaining big business interests. The term 'gravy train' is a bye word for a culture of greed and corruption found in thee EU.

I know that our own government is not perfect. But it has a level of accountability which the EU does not. MPs have surgeries, they respond to letters and emails and if they don't you have avenues of redress. Not so with Brussels. Which is the direction my thoughts head towards. The vision of the EU is a political one. The debate in the UK is pragmatic, how much? How many? That kind of discussion. But in Europe thee discussion is different. It is about a European project, of political union, of a federal Europe.

But I feel that the larger the government, the less direct accountability there is to the individual. I recall the horror shown by US senators when viewing BBCs Question Time. They found it unimaginable that senior politicians would be face to face with us, the great unwashed.

So when given the option to leave what is known to be corrupt, what is becoming less accountable and increasingly manipulated by the greedy, i said yes.

I hope our cousins on the continent join us and we can redesign things for our mutual benefit. Perhaps be able to show more compassion for the needy and less tolerance for the crooked.

Spot on post! I see you are getting the same dirge I've been getting from Jeremy for years.

I think one of the important points in your post for the future is that the rest of the continent, as well as our cousins across the pond, join us in the move to reject the rich elites, and so called technocrats and experts, because Brexit alone isn't enough. We also need to change Westminster because they have been the servants of Brussels and not of the British people. The political landscape is shifting!

SweetPea, thank you for the heads up.

[Nearly Sane]

Moderator As the result of the referendum is now known, we have set up a stickied thread Brexit - The Nest Steps for ongoing discussion on the topic. Link below


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