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Re: The quarterly 'Is swearing bad' thread
« Reply #175 on: May 22, 2015, 12:03:20 AM »
Apart from the glaring irony of that remark, I wonder on what basis you come to that conclusion?  Is It based on some kind of evidence?

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Re: The quarterly 'Is swearing bad' thread
« Reply #176 on: May 22, 2015, 12:04:16 AM »
Apart from the glaring irony of that remark, I wonder on what basis you come to that conclusion?  Is It based on some kind of evidence?

Yes. The best kind - direct personal experience of a very wide variety of people at work and at play (as it were) over many years.

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Re: The quarterly 'Is swearing bad' thread
« Reply #177 on: May 22, 2015, 12:06:06 AM »

Okay, with the caveat that, I'll also go with your contention just now, that telling the truth is not insulting.

Fine, but be aware that there are no stupid people or morons or idiots or otherwise mentally challenged people on this forum.
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« Reply #178 on: May 22, 2015, 12:11:04 AM »

Okay, with the caveat that, I'll also go with your contention just now, that telling the truth is not insulting.

Fine, but be aware that there are no stupid people or morons or idiots or otherwise mentally challenged people on this forum.

Bearing that comment in mind, I hope you realise how much you are asking of me? 

By the way, does our "deal" preclude you from insulting as well as not swearing?
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« Reply #179 on: May 22, 2015, 12:16:27 AM »

Bearing that comment in mind, I hope you realise how much you are asking of me?


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« Reply #180 on: May 22, 2015, 12:22:39 AM »

Bearing that comment in mind, I hope you realise how much you are asking of me?


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No it doesn't, but I'll give it a go.

Right.  I guess it will be a test of endurance as much as anything.
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Re: The quarterly 'Is swearing bad' thread
« Reply #181 on: May 22, 2015, 06:58:23 AM »

So, since you've just roundly insulted me, that little assertion applies equally to you!  Fool!

It's not an insult if it's true.

Yes, it is. Idiot.  You sound more absurd the longer you go on!

I know this has been pointed out already, but can't you see it's more offensive to call someone an idiot than to swear when you stub your toe?

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Re: The quarterly 'Is swearing bad' thread
« Reply #182 on: May 22, 2015, 08:16:55 AM »
Bashers

In an earlier post in this thread I pointed out that what is commonly called "swearing" is nothing of the kind. It is simply the use of particular expressions or words which are - at the time - considered socially unacceptable.

You appear to espouse a religious conviction that you call "Christianity" which, in your case, is concerned with restricting the behaviour of people (Thou shalt not ... etc) rather than the empowering answer of a Nazarene carpenter to the question: Who is my neighbour? One of the "shalt nots" concerns "taking the Lord's name in vain." It is this last activity which is swearing, not using words which suffer the lingering efects of Victorian opprobrium.

In the main, the words you consider unacceptable are concerned with sexual activity, anatomical parts and physiology generally. They reflect a particular sense of shame that people felt as a result of their human condition, reinforced by occupants of the pulpit in their politically-approved role of social controllers. The disapproval of the use of these words is little more than fashion. And fashions change.

Who knows, in a decade or two these words may have lost all their power to shock and have been reabsorbed into everyday speech. Who knows, a future Archbishop of Canterbury may decide to refer to the treatment of refugees as "Fucking shit."

Why, as a self-proclaimed Christian, are you so exercised about secular words rather than words like Crikey or Jeepers Creepers which clearly derive from "the Lord's name"?


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Re: The quarterly 'Is swearing bad' thread
« Reply #183 on: May 22, 2015, 09:25:07 AM »
My old pp used to swear like a trooper, HH. But he'd never take the Lord's name in vain.

Shaker's right about swearing being good for mental health btw. It's value is recognised in therapeutic settings as a way of venting anger, fear, grief and distress and if a client or patient feels the need to swear they are allowed to do so without censure. It's even better to vent all that stuff before therapy becomes necessary.

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Re: The quarterly 'Is swearing bad' thread
« Reply #184 on: May 22, 2015, 04:30:53 PM »
Bashers

In an earlier post in this thread I pointed out that what is commonly called "swearing" is nothing of the kind. It is simply the use of particular expressions or words which are - at the time - considered socially unacceptable.

You appear to espouse a religious conviction that you call "Christianity" which, in your case, is concerned with restricting the behaviour of people (Thou shalt not ... etc) rather than the empowering answer of a Nazarene carpenter to the question: Who is my neighbour? One of the "shalt nots" concerns "taking the Lord's name in vain." It is this last activity which is swearing, not using words which suffer the lingering efects of Victorian opprobrium.

In the main, the words you consider unacceptable are concerned with sexual activity, anatomical parts and physiology generally. They reflect a particular sense of shame that people felt as a result of their human condition, reinforced by occupants of the pulpit in their politically-approved role of social controllers. The disapproval of the use of these words is little more than fashion. And fashions change.

Who knows, in a decade or two these words may have lost all their power to shock and have been reabsorbed into everyday speech. Who knows, a future Archbishop of Canterbury may decide to refer to the treatment of refugees as "Fucking shit."

Why, as a self-proclaimed Christian, are you so exercised about secular words rather than words like Crikey or Jeepers Creepers which clearly derive from "the Lord's name"?

Swearing is all too often deliberately used to be offensive to someone, or about something.  There are myriad ways to make a point without having to resort to the crudest terms.  I am not basing my objections in religious terms, but simply in terms of reasonable taste.. When I hear the Queen, or the Prime Minister, or any notable, stand up and deliver a speech littered with expletives, I'll accept it as the norm.  People who swear are either too angry to make a pointed comment,  or without the necessary ability to respond as mature adults.  May sound pompous, but I think it's a reasonable way to conduct your interactions with others. 
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Re: The quarterly 'Is swearing bad' thread
« Reply #187 on: July 11, 2015, 03:55:08 PM »
The truth is that half of you have never been between a rock and a hard place.

People who have never sworn suddenly swear due to stress and severe circumstances.

Oh and there is "I have never had a tough time"  judging them...

Grow up! Some people would make a saint swear... But God is not condemning because someone swears..

I never liked swearing, never used it but this last year things have been so bad I have used bad language and shocked family, But then I have reason... this year I also suffered from exhaustion... The truth is that you should NOT judge anyone till you have walked a mile in their shoes...

God understands it is just man thinking he is God and doing what Christ didn't. Looking down on others...Swearing is no different to disliking or hating others.. In fact God compares hatred to murder... I think swearing a lesser way of behaving compared to mistreating people.
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« Reply #188 on: July 11, 2015, 04:17:13 PM »
The truth is that half of you have never been between a rock and a hard place.

People who have never sworn suddenly swear due to stress and severe circumstances.

Oh and there is "I have never had a tough time"  judging them...

Grow up! Some people would make a saint swear... But God is not condemning because someone swears..

I never liked swearing, never used it but this last year things have been so bad I have used bad language and shocked family, But then I have reason... this year I also suffered from exhaustion... The truth is that you should NOT judge anyone till you have walked a mile in their shoes...

God understands it is just man thinking he is God and doing what Christ didn't. Looking down on others...Swearing is no different to disliking or hating others.. In fact God compares hatred to murder... I think swearing a lesser way of behaving compared to mistreating people.

Sass is a clone of the deity and knows exactly what it is thinking! ;D ;D ;D

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Re: The quarterly 'Is swearing bad' thread
« Reply #189 on: July 11, 2015, 05:08:42 PM »
The truth is that half of you have never been between a rock and a hard place.

People who have never sworn suddenly swear due to stress and severe circumstances.

Oh and there is "I have never had a tough time"  judging them...

Grow up! Some people would make a saint swear... But God is not condemning because someone swears..

I never liked swearing, never used it but this last year things have been so bad I have used bad language and shocked family, But then I have reason... this year I also suffered from exhaustion... The truth is that you should NOT judge anyone till you have walked a mile in their shoes...

God understands it is just man thinking he is God and doing what Christ didn't. Looking down on others...Swearing is no different to disliking or hating others.. In fact God compares hatred to murder... I think swearing a lesser way of behaving compared to mistreating people.

Sass is a clone of the deity and knows exactly what it is thinking! ;D ;D ;D

Bus Sass does have a point - whether she recognises it or not is a different matter. But any god isn't going to be bothered about swearing. He, she, it or they, frankly, couldn't give a damn!

Swearing is a social not a theological matter. It consists of using words whose use is contrary to the prevailing norm. The prevailing norm changes and yesterday's swear words are today's acceptable vocabulary.

In current English, words current carrying some level of social disapproval are mostly related to sex. Our parents were embarrassed about sex so any reference was camoflaged with neutral words like mate - which is what animals did. The use of the vulgar, common or garden expression was beyond the pale. Now, everybody (almost) says "fuck" and nobody turns a hair. The bad words now are related to ethnicity the most obvious being one which begins with "n".

It is interesting that a couple of years ago it seemed as though a new forbidden word was emerging. It began with "p" and was a shortened version of a word meaning "not aristocratic" and policement guarding the gateway to Downing Street appeared to consider the "p word" the most insulting and upsetting thing they had ever heard (or said they had heard).

And a judge agreed with them.
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Re: The quarterly 'Is swearing bad' thread
« Reply #190 on: July 11, 2015, 05:26:29 PM »
Now, everybody (almost) says "fuck" and nobody turns a hair.
... except for Bashful Anthony, who not only turns a hair but whose entire wig spins around.
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Re: The quarterly 'Is swearing bad' thread
« Reply #191 on: July 11, 2015, 07:32:17 PM »
Now, everybody (almost) says "fuck" and nobody turns a hair.
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... except for Bashful Anthony, who not only turns a hair but whose entire wig spins around.

No everybody does not.  They may in the circles you mix with.  How often do you hear it in the news, political programmes, documentaries, any intelligent programmes, or by any people with decent standards?  Why do we not hear swearing on these programmes, if it is acceptable  -  not that many of you foul-mouths would look at any intelligent programmes!  The thing is, you try desperately to justify your nasty habit, but it's only nasty people, with no control, no decent vocabulary, no standards, who do it.
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« Reply #192 on: July 11, 2015, 07:37:34 PM »
How often do you hear it in the news, political programmes, documentaries, any intelligent programmes, or by any people with decent standards?

How often do you hear them calling their opponents twerps or trolls?  Your protestations might be more credible if you weren't so quick to insult people.
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« Reply #193 on: July 11, 2015, 07:46:37 PM »
How often do you hear it in the news, political programmes, documentaries, any intelligent programmes, or by any people with decent standards?

How often do you hear them calling their opponents twerps or trolls?  Your protestations might be more credible if you weren't so quick to insult people.

I prefer to call it being honest, and without the necessity to use expletives.  I hear people on tv and the radio, calling  others names from time to time, but I do not hear them swearing.  If it is okay to swear, why is it still referred to as "bad language?"
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« Reply #194 on: July 11, 2015, 10:21:38 PM »
The thing is, you try desperately to justify your nasty habit, but it's only nasty people, with no control, no decent vocabulary, no standards, who do it.
People like Prince Philip?
I wonder if the Queen will be suing for divorce any time soon because he obviously a very nasty guy.
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« Reply #195 on: July 11, 2015, 10:38:30 PM »
No everybody does not.  They may in the circles you mix with.
Which is a broad spectrum of ordinary people.

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How often do you hear it in the news, political programmes, documentaries, any intelligent programmes, or by any people with decent standards?

News, not at all, because these tend to be the most tight-arsed, suit-collar-and-tie modes of broadcasting in this country.

Political programmes? Sometimes.

Documentaries? Quite a lot. Watch more documentaries.

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Why do we not hear swearing on these programmes, if it is acceptable  -  not that many of you foul-mouths would look at any intelligent programmes!  The thing is, you try desperately to justify your nasty habit, but it's only nasty people, with no control, no decent vocabulary, no standards, who do it.
It's only prudes who think it's still 1937, unable to take on board the fact that times have changed and the world has moved on without them, who complain.
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« Reply #196 on: July 11, 2015, 10:38:44 PM »
How often do you hear it in the news, political programmes, documentaries, any intelligent programmes, or by any people with decent standards?

How often do you hear them calling their opponents twerps or trolls?  Your protestations might be more credible if you weren't so quick to insult people.

I prefer to call it being honest, and without the necessity to use expletives.  I hear people on tv and the radio, calling  others names from time to time, but I do not hear them swearing.  If it is okay to swear, why is it still referred to as "bad language?"

So, you consider calling people by words which they find demeaning, insulting and offensive is "being honest"? And the only justification for this is that they have said something with which you disagree. If you met them face to face, and did not have the anonymity which this forum gives, would you still use the same demeaning, insulting and offensive words?

How do you accommodate this with your primary requirement, since you proclaim yourself to be Christian, to exercise charity?

How is it preferable to cause people pain by the way you address them than to use odd words which are arbitrarily not considered socially acceptable?
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« Reply #197 on: July 11, 2015, 11:06:29 PM »

I prefer to call it being honest,


What you call it is of no consequence.

You are a complete hypocrite.
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« Reply #198 on: July 12, 2015, 06:10:11 AM »

I prefer to call it being honest,


What you call it is of no consequence.

You are a complete hypocrite.

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« Reply #199 on: July 12, 2015, 08:44:47 AM »
A certain 'Christian' poster on this forum seems to be a grand master where hypocrisy is concerned. :o Whilst they accuse others of hypocrisy, and goodness knows what else, they fail to realise how huge is the beam in their own eye!