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Re: Books
« Reply #150 on: September 26, 2022, 12:11:16 AM »
That is a lot of reading! I just can't keep up with my own list these days. Having books on an tablet does help a lot though. Beard's, Twelve Caesars is on my list but I will probably never get round to it (as I never managed to get to SPQR).
Twelve Caesars was a bit tough. It's very visual so has problems on a tablet.
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« Reply #151 on: September 26, 2022, 07:34:40 AM »
I've got the original Twelve Caesars, by Suetonius (in English translation, of course), but have never read it, and probably never will, though maybe.
Just started reading a Folio Society edition of 'A Vindication of the Rights of Woman' by Mary Wollstonecraft, and am about three-quarters of the way through Darwin's 'Descent oof Man', and a third of the way through 'Adam Bede' by George Eliot.
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« Reply #152 on: September 26, 2022, 10:32:11 AM »
Suetonius is quite an easy read in a good translation. The revised Graves is good, I'd avoid Rolfe. Beard's look at how we visually know the Caesars is a typically sideways glance at knowledge and very interesting but I was hoping for something more around our general perception. Suetonius is amazing propaganda but it is propaganda.



Colleen McCollough's Masters of Rome Ceasars is brilliant till she gets to later Julius and then she falls in love with him, and even the later book on Mark Antony, Cleopatra and Octavian is too haunted by him.


Allan Massie is the one writer who gets Octavian/Augustus right for me - pace Graves who only really does Augustus and seems to me to buy into the propaganda of Suetonius a bit much.

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« Reply #153 on: September 26, 2022, 12:53:27 PM »
My 12 Caesars is the Graves version. It doesnt say anything about it's being revised, so presumably the original.
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« Reply #154 on: September 26, 2022, 04:01:58 PM »
I've got the original Twelve Caesars, by Suetonius (in English translation, of course), but have never read it, and probably never will, though maybe.
Just started reading a Folio Society edition of 'A Vindication of the Rights of Woman' by Mary Wollstonecraft, and am about three-quarters of the way through Darwin's 'Descent oof Man', and a third of the way through 'Adam Bede' by George Eliot.
Never quite know what to expect with George Eliot.
Middlemarch- magnificent.
Romola  - virtuosic.
Silas Marner - quite touching but on the edge of saccharine.
Couldn't get anywhere with The Mill on the Floss.
What might I expect with Adam Bede?
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« Reply #155 on: September 27, 2022, 12:51:55 PM »
Never quite know what to expect with George Eliot.
Middlemarch- magnificent.
Romola  - virtuosic.
Silas Marner - quite touching but on the edge of saccharine.
Couldn't get anywhere with The Mill on the Floss.
What might I expect with Adam Bede?
I'm finding AB a bit boring, tbh. I loved SM and TMOTF, b ut MM bored me to tears.
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« Reply #156 on: September 27, 2022, 02:24:08 PM »
I'm finding AB a bit boring, tbh. I loved SM and TMOTF, b ut MM bored me to tears.
Extraordinary judgment on Middlemarch! The only thing I found a bit hard to accept is that Daft Dorothea couldn't see that Casaubon was one of the walking dead. But then a lot of the plot hinges on that. Otherwise, I reckon it's the tops.
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« Reply #157 on: September 27, 2022, 03:38:32 PM »
I suppose one of the reasons that MM clicked with me is that at the time I read it, I was just becoming aware that there had been well over a hundred years of biblical studies carried out - known as the Higher Criticism - and the first advances in this research are alluded to in the novel (George Eliot of course was the first to translate David Friedrich Strauss into English).
Casaubon represents the old, totally faith-based attitude to research, and is completely unaware of what has been happening on the continent, particularly in Germany, where biblical studies have taken a more objective direction. Whereas Will Ladislaw, though perhaps not the polymath and Romantic hero that George Eliot might have wanted him to seem, is fully aware of the research being done.
Things haven't moved on that much in these matters over the last 150 years or so, at least in England. There are those whose attitude is entirely faith-based, and the reading they do tends to be directed to reinforcing their faith, and there are only a small number who are interested in more objective biblical studies, most of the unbelieving camp being only interested in sustaining a hard atheism, in which "science" is the guiding light. There are also those who think the Bible text alone and in itself will deliver all that needs to be understood about it - and there are even atheists here (well, at least one) who take this approach. SSh! You know who...
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« Reply #158 on: September 28, 2022, 11:39:40 AM »
I might give MM another go one day.
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« Reply #159 on: September 28, 2022, 09:32:14 PM »
Currently reading an anthology of Jeeves & Wooster stories that I bought on Prime.

Have to confess that my reading has dropped off dramatically over the last couple of years due to the effects of the medication that I am required to take - I always used to read in the evenings and in bed before sleep, but nowadays by early evening I'm just too fatigued to concentrate.

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« Reply #160 on: September 28, 2022, 09:48:14 PM »
Currently reading an anthology of Jeeves & Wooster stories that I bought on Prime.

Have to confess that my reading has dropped off dramatically over the last couple of years due to the effects of the medication that I am required to take - I always used to read in the evenings and in bed before sleep, but nowadays by early evening I'm just too fatigued to concentrate.
and yet maybe there is  a podcasts thread?

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« Reply #161 on: September 30, 2022, 11:26:40 AM »
and yet maybe there is  a podcasts thread?

I'm astounded by the number of excellent podcasts available, covering a huge range of subjects. In addition there's audiobooks and apps - eg. BBC Sounds allowing listening to programmes at any suitable time. Also a huge range of devices that can be used to listen to them on.

The only problem from my pov is that I have a tendency to fall asleep very quickly when listening at bedtime!
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« Reply #162 on: September 30, 2022, 07:04:14 PM »
I'm astounded by the number of excellent podcasts available, covering a huge range of subjects. In addition there's audiobooks and apps - eg. BBC Sounds allowing listening to programmes at any suitable time. Also a huge range of devices that can be used to listen to them on.

The only problem from my pov is that I have a tendency to fall asleep very quickly when listening at bedtime!

My current favourite podcast is "The Rest is History". Each episode is typically an hour long and consists of Tom Holland and Dominic Sandbrook and sometimes a guest discussing some aspect of history between them. It's usually very entertaining and very educational.
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« Reply #163 on: September 30, 2022, 07:17:36 PM »
I think, as NS noted, it's time for Podcasts thread - I listen to loads, including the one just mentioned by Jeremy.

If nobody gets there first I'll start one over the weekend.

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« Reply #164 on: February 09, 2023, 05:53:12 PM »
One of my favourite fictions of all time, and for me, Shakespeare's best play.
Better as Verdi's operatic setting. As is Othello-Otello.
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« Reply #165 on: August 28, 2023, 07:53:13 PM »
Rereading the Charlie Muffin books by Brian Freemantle. Forgotten how much I liked them.

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« Reply #166 on: September 12, 2023, 03:48:34 PM »
Surprised (using the Search function) that there is only one reference to this here - and that from dear old bluehillside, of all people. I've just started reading The Scarlet Letter, by Nathaniel Hawthorne. Have to say, it's taken me quite a while to get round to it. Reading a few critiques, I see it is supposed to anticipate various ideas of depth psychology, and how psychological traumas affect the whole of an individual's health, as well as expatiating on various ways in  which Christians have interpreted the idea of sin and guilt.
So far, I can only say I like the style of writing very much.
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« Reply #167 on: September 17, 2023, 11:10:50 AM »
Reading All Crazee Now: English Football and Footballers in the 1970s by David Tossell, and enjoying it.

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« Reply #168 on: November 14, 2023, 11:58:18 AM »
A sort of big advert of '50 best books of all time' put together by Pan MacMillan but I've seen worse. Not sure they needed a specific section on dystopian novels, as this, as with many such lists, seems packed with them. There is HG2TG but even that is dystopian but funny.


https://www.panmacmillan.com/blogs/general/must-read-books-of-all-time

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« Reply #169 on: November 14, 2023, 01:17:17 PM »
A sort of big advert of '50 best books of all time' put together by Pan MacMillan but I've seen worse. Not sure they needed a specific section on dystopian novels, as this, as with many such lists, seems packed with them. There is HG2TG but even that is dystopian but funny.


https://www.panmacmillan.com/blogs/general/must-read-books-of-all-time
I haven't read ay of the literary books, and can't say I'm tempted to read any of them. I've read all the Classic books except for Gatsby and Fred Douglass, and enjoyed all of them except Middlemarch, which bored the pants off me. Of the sci-fis, I've read and enjoyed HHGTTG, TWOTW and Frankenstein. I've only read 'A room of one's own' of the non-fiction, and only 'Brighton Rock' of the Crime and Thrillers. I did it for A level Eng Lit, and haven't been tempted to re-read it, though I quite enjoyed it. Haven't read any of the historical fiction. Of the translations, I've read 'The Little Prince' many years ago - twee shite, as far as I can remember - and the Tao Te Ching, which is profound and moving. Of the dystopias, only 'Nineteen Eighty-Four', which is depressing, but perhaps the most important novel of the 20th or 21st Centuries.
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« Reply #170 on: December 05, 2023, 12:35:49 PM »
Read Graham Linehan's Tough Crowd. The first half is standard autobiography, and gives a lot of insight into his writing, and the success of his comedy. The second half is concentrates on what has happened following his speaking out against the idea of gender.

It's an odd combination because the first half is like any standard 'sleb' autobiography, and then is followed by something completely different. I'm not sure it tells anyone not familiar with the gender issue much in a way that would help them understand it but then I'm not sure that is what the book is for, or could be for.

The funniest bit in it is about his father trying to give him the sex talk.when he was growing up which would be a brilliant piece in a sitcom.

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« Reply #171 on: January 06, 2024, 01:28:41 PM »
Just finished Babel by R F Kuang. Interesting but felt the message overwhelmed the world it tried to create.


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« Reply #172 on: May 31, 2024, 03:57:23 PM »
I am currently reading the third in a detective book series written by an author Russ Thomas called "Cold Reckoning". The previous two books are "Nighthawking" and before that "Firewatching".

It would be best if you read them in order to make sense of them.

It is about a detective called Tyler and his sidekick Rabbani and is set in Sheffield a city I used to know reasonably well in the past.

Anyway, thoroughly enjoyable for me. It is complicated enough to wrong-foot me (frequently) but not so opaque that I want to stop reading. He is spot-on with his portrait of the city and the speech patterns of its residents.

If you like detective novels these are pretty good.


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« Reply #173 on: June 29, 2024, 01:50:24 PM »
Rereading Jonathan Raban's Soft City. 40 years after I first read it, and 50 years after it was written. When I read it first, it already seemed about a lost world but that was more to do with me being 20 than anything else. Reading it now, I see that a lot of what he was writing about could now apply to the Internet, the ultimate 'soft city'?
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« Reply #174 on: August 17, 2024, 10:50:57 AM »
Another reread with Mark Steyn's Broadway Babies Say Goodnight on the development of the musical. It's written with live and care, and yet the ineffableness of a great musical is so hard to pin down. The reread was triggered by a quiz question from Duglas T Stewart of the BMX Bandits about Bill, from Showboat, and who wrote the lyrics - PG Wodehouse - but not for Showboat itself.


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