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[Anchorman]

On what basis does anyone have a single good supportable reason to think a statement such as, 'using the gifts God gave us', has anything to do with reality?

All sorts of things can be asserted, wish I could find a way of asserting several millions of £ type pounds into my bank account!

   



It IS an assertion.
YYou may not accept it, but many have been spurred on by their faith to pursue scientific disciplines, and in that pursuit, found their faith strengthened without compromising their speciality in their chosen discipline.

[ippy]

   



It IS an assertion.
YYou may not accept it, but many have been spurred on by their faith to pursue scientific disciplines, and in that pursuit, found their faith strengthened without compromising their speciality in their chosen discipline.

So I've heard there's still a few people around that still think the Earth is flat, I don't think there's much merit in that line of thought either.

Random happenings such as the chance that two particular people happen to be parents, the chance happening the offspring has a fortunate or unfortunate mix of genes, where borne, living in what particular country, the parents ability to live above or below subsistence level, all unpredictable.

Also very little to do with any magic mystic or superstition based ideas having had any effect on the outcome and people still go for this iron age mythology in spite of how well informed the majority of us are nowadays.

These beliefs in themselves well I'm sure we can all live with a few of these people still believing this stuff other than that this lot bring up their children insisting they teach their children about religion whilst at the same time indoctrinating the next generation filling their heads with unsubstantiated beliefs as though they were facts.

ippy 

[Walt Zingmatilder]

So I've heard there's still a few people around that still think the Earth is flat, I don't think there's much merit in that line of thought either.

Random happenings such as the chance that two particular people happen to be parents, the chance happening the offspring has a fortunate or unfortunate mix of genes, where borne, living in what particular country, the parents ability to live above or below subsistence level, all unpredictable.

Also very little to do with any magic mystic or superstition based ideas having had any effect on the outcome and people still go for this iron age mythology in spite of how well informed the majority of us are nowadays.

These beliefs in themselves well I'm sure we can all live with a few of these people still believing this stuff other than that this lot bring up their children insisting they teach their children about religion whilst at the same time indoctrinating the next generation filling their heads with unsubstantiated beliefs as though they were facts.

ippy

In what ways is believing in God like believing the earth is flat?

[ippy]

In what ways is believing in God like believing the earth is flat?

It's like believing in Leprechauns or Hob Goblins too, there's just as much evidence for these two as there is for the magical, mystical and superstition based parts of that manual of yours Vlad, without having to mention Flat Earthers.

Surly this should have sunk in to your brain by now it's been explained to you so many times by Blue alone without reference to all of the others that have tried to get through to you on this.

ippy.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

It's like believing in Leprechauns or Hob Goblins too, there's just as much evidence for these two as there is for the magical, mystical and superstition based parts of that manual of yours Vlad, without having to mention Flat Earthers.

Surly this should have sunk in to your brain by now it's been explained to you so many times by Blue alone without reference to all of the others that have tried to get through to you on this.

ippy.

It's like believing in Leprechauns or Hob Goblins too, there's just as much evidence for these two as there is for the magical, mystical and superstition based parts of that manual of yours Vlad, without having to mention Flat Earthers.

Surly this should have sunk in to your brain by now it's been explained to you so many times by Blue alone without reference to all of the others that have tried to get through to you on this.

ippy.

In what way is believing in God the same as believing in Leprechauns and hobgoblins.

Hillside has explained nothing. Please make your own answers please . When I want a supply of hillshit I will request it. Right now I am rather after Ipshit.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Vlad,

In what way is believing in God the same as believing in Leprechauns and hobgoblins.

In the way that subscribers to all of them cannot justified justify their claims with cogent arguments or evidence. The different outcomes of the same bad arguments has no epistemic significance.   

Hillside has explained nothing.

And back to your lying you go. I’ve explained it to you many times – why pretend otherwise?

Please make your own answers please . When I want a supply of hillshit I will request it. Right now I am rather after Ipsh

And now you chuck in some abuse while you make good your escape. Vlad is back in the room!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Vlad,

In the way that subscribers to all of them cannot justified justify their claims with cogent arguments or evidence. The different outcomes of the same bad arguments has no epistemic significance.   

Please exemplify.

Yours, Not holding his breath

Vlad.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Vlad,

Please exemplify.

Yours, Not holding his breath

“Exemplify”?

Anyway, as you’ve had explained countless times: a bad argument does not become a good argument when it’s used to justify one belief rather than another.

Now write that down 100 times (or until it sinks in).   

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Vlad,

“Exemplify”?   

Yes exemplify. When you make an assertion please exemplify. That isn't unreasonable is it?

[bluehillside Retd.]

Vlad,

Yes exemplify. When you make an assertion please exemplify. That isn't unreasonable is it?

Evasion noted.

[ippy]

In what way is believing in God the same as believing in Leprechauns and hobgoblins.

Hillside has explained nothing. Please make your own answers please . When I want a supply of hillshit I will request it. Right now I am rather after Ipshit.

I have explained Vlad, it's all there your post was followed too by Blue explaining this to you for the umpteenth umpteenth time.

Have a think Vlad, not just you, anyone that asserts something, anything, for anyone to take an assertion seriously it'll need evidence that supports the said assertion.

I can assert all sorts of things and suggest they should be believed in Vlad, things like Leprechauns, Hob Goblins, Horoscopes, Gods Goddesses, only trouble with asserting things evidence is a requisite if we expect others to believe or take assertions seriously.

I almost forgot, Sriram's little man that 's had a blue Elephant's head transplant, I doubt even you're a believer in this one Vlad.

ippy   

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I almost forgot, Sriram's little man that 's had a blue Elephant's head transplant, I doubt even you're a believer in this one Vlad.

ippy   

Why do you think I should believe it.....or not believe it?

[bluehillside Retd.]

Vlad,

Why do you think I should believe it...

You shouldn’t, at least not unless reasoning or evidence can be found to justify the belief.

...or not believe it?

You should not believe it for exactly the same reason.

The same goes for your god too.

[ippy]

Why do you think I should believe it.....or not believe it?

It's not so much about you should or shouldn't believe in Sriram's blue Elephant head man, it's more why not believe in this blue man, you believe in this god thingy idea of yours without any supporting evidence so why not believe in the blue head transplant man too, you might as well he's as likely to really exist as your god idea is likely to exist, why's one unfounded and daft idea OK and not the other daft idea, they're both as daft as each other?

ippy.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

It's not so much about you should or shouldn't believe in Sriram's blue Elephant head man, it's more why not believe in this blue man, you believe in this god thingy idea of yours without any supporting evidence so why not believe in the blue head transplant man too, you might as well he's as likely to really exist as your god idea is likely to exist, why's one unfounded and daft idea OK and not the other daft idea, they're both as daft as each other?

ippy.

There is no evidence for empiricism and yet here you are arguing from it.
You were brainwashed into it.

[Stranger]

There is no evidence for empiricism and yet here you are arguing from it.

There is plenty of evidence that using empirical evidence can distinguish probably true propositions about reality from just guessing. Until and unless you can come up with another methodology for doing the same job with regard to your claims, they are indistinguishable from guessing.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

There is plenty of evidence that using empirical evidence can distinguish probably true propositions about reality from just guessing.

None of which support empiricism from which he and you inevitably answer from.

[Owlswing]

In what ways is believing in God like believing the earth is flat?

Because there is no verifiable proof that God exists, there IS proof that the Earth is not flat, so, until there is rock-solid verifiable proof of | God's existence they are equally unlikely to be true!

[torridon]

None of which support empiricism from which he and you inevitably answer from.

So you see no value in empiricism ? Is there a case for abandoning empiricism ?

[Stranger]

None of which support empiricism from which he and you inevitably answer from.

As I said, and you edited out and ignored:  until and unless you can come up with another methodology for doing the same job with regard to your claims, they are indistinguishable from guessing. That doesn't change regardless of whether you accept empiricism in the philosophical sense, it's purely a matter of practicality.

[ippy]

There is no evidence for empiricism and yet here you are arguing from it.
You were brainwashed into it.

Haw about that Hindu multi armed woman then Vlad, why not believe in her as well?

ippy

[bluehillside Retd.]

Vlad,

There is no evidence for empiricism and yet here you are arguing from it.
You were brainwashed into it.

You’ve had this nonsense falsified countless times. Why on earth are you repeating it now?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

So you see no value in empiricism ? Is there a case for abandoning empiricism ?

Methodological empiricism fine, Philosophical empiricism? Where and what is the support for it?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Because there is no verifiable proof that God exists, there IS proof that the Earth is not flat, so, until there is rock-solid verifiable proof of | God's existence they are equally unlikely to be true!

There is verifiable proof of a spheroidal world but no verifiable proof of God and can't be so there you go. The two are clearly in different categories.

Flat earth disproved
God not disproved

How did youpossibly come to link belief in God with belief in a flat earth apart from yours and Ippy's intellectual bone idleness?

[Stranger]

Methodological empiricism fine, Philosophical empiricism? Where and what is the support for it?

Where is anybody arguing for it?