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The Accountant, OBE, KC

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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #51750 on: Today at 06:23:10 PM »
I think that the split between politician/religious person doesn't quite work. Politicians are often religious and may be taking action for 'religious reasons', a religious figure could be taking actions for political reasons.

The 'Troubles' in Northern Ireland had political and religious reasons intertwined, as do many other conflicts, and wars. I'm baffled that some people think they can be separated out, or that they don't arise from the same basic traits of humanity.
Agreed. I was not suggesting that people are either acting from religious motivations or political ones. My point was that whatever the motivation or mix of motivations for a person's actions, the belief that what they are doing is right or wrong is not based on purely measurable stats.

Hence, one person can hold the belief that killing tens of thousands of civilians including children and medics in Gaza is right in order to try to achieve a certain military objective, and someone else can believe that it is wrong. Being able to quantify the number of dead and injured has not helped in terms of the belief of right and wrong in the political issue of whether the UK economy and UK citizens should forgo the economic benefit of selling arms to Israel to bomb civilians or whether the UK should express political support for Israel both in government statements and by selling Israel weapons.
I identify as a Sword because I have abstract social constructs e.g. honour and patriotism. My preferred pronouns are "kill/ maim/ dismember"

Quite handy with weapons - available for hire to defeat money laundering crooks around the world.

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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #51751 on: Today at 10:45:40 PM »
Quite a step from opposing promiscuity to condemning all same-sex relationships.
"Our maker" has given an extremely variable set of instructions depending on where you dip into your holy 'book'. St Paul seems to have suggested it would be better to stay single. Jesus himself gave some very odd instructions, apart from the instance when he was forbidding divorce. He too seems to have suggested that celibacy was a higher state of spirituality, and even (taking him literally) advocated self-castration for males. You may argue that in the latter case he was obviously speaking metaphorically, but the great scholar Origen thought otherwise, and applied the knife. His example is not unique: the Russian sect of the Skoptzi were still insisting on self-castration well into the 20th century.
Trouble is, your God's 'instructions' are anything but clear, and it's about time you realised this.
I find them quite clear.
The 7th commandment forbids sex outside marriage.
And Jesus confirms that the sacrament of marriage is a union between one man and one woman.
The truth will set you free  - John 8:32
Truth is not an abstraction, but a person - Edith Stein
Free will, though it makes evil possible, is also the only thing that makes possible any love or goodness or joy worth having. - CS Lewis
Joy is the Gigantic Secret of Christians - GK Chesterton