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Alan Burns

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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #52075 on: April 09, 2025, 11:22:46 PM »
Alan...still waiting on your feasible explanation of how your soul works!
Specifically but not exclusively,  how exactly can an immaterial entity (soul) interact with matter (physical body).
God knows!
But I do know that matter alone can never do what our soul does - give us the  freedom to wilfully escape from the uncontrollable consequences of material reactions.
The truth will set you free  - John 8:32
Truth is not an abstraction, but a person - Edith Stein
Free will, though it makes evil possible, is also the only thing that makes possible any love or goodness or joy worth having. - CS Lewis
Joy is the Gigantic Secret of Christians - GK Chesterton

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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #52076 on: April 10, 2025, 05:42:23 AM »
God knows!
But I do know that matter alone can never do what our soul does - give us the  freedom to wilfully escape from the uncontrollable consequences of material reactions.

You don't 'know' that at all: this is just your usual mix of the fallacies of 'incredulity and consequences'.

torridon

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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #52077 on: April 10, 2025, 06:33:00 AM »
God knows!
But I do know that matter alone can never do what our soul does - give us the  freedom to wilfully escape from the uncontrollable consequences of material reactions.

however you've never shown how anyone can choose what will to have; so this 'freedom' is just illusory.

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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #52078 on: April 10, 2025, 08:46:20 AM »
God knows!
But I do know that matter alone can never do what our soul does - give us the  freedom to wilfully escape from the uncontrollable consequences of material reactions.

Seems a bit hypocritical, someone constantly wanting other people to show how material brains can produce thought whilst themselves being totally unable to describe how their very own pet hypothesis works (other than by magic)!
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends.'
Albert Einstein

Alan Burns

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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #52079 on: April 11, 2025, 11:03:36 PM »
however you've never shown how anyone can choose what will to have; so this 'freedom' is just illusory.
It depends on the ultimate source of "will"
If our will is defined by uncontrollable material reactions, we obviously would have no choice.
Do we have a choice about what to put our faith in?
We can put our faith in the ability of material reactions to define every "choice" we make.
Or we can believe in the freedom which allows us to exercise our gift of faith.
The truth will set you free  - John 8:32
Truth is not an abstraction, but a person - Edith Stein
Free will, though it makes evil possible, is also the only thing that makes possible any love or goodness or joy worth having. - CS Lewis
Joy is the Gigantic Secret of Christians - GK Chesterton

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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #52080 on: Today at 07:19:25 AM »
It depends on the ultimate source of "will"

Which, as things stand, look to be biological: it's what brains do.

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If our will is defined by uncontrollable material reactions, we obviously would have no choice.

Correct, even if you don't like it.

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Do we have a choice about what to put our faith in?

Why do you need' faith' when you have a credible naturalistic explanation for mental processes? Looks like you're contriving a hook to hang your 'God' on.

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We can put our faith in the ability of material reactions to define every "choice" we make.

Yes, and again 'faith' is an inappropriate term for you to use since, for you, it is code for 'God'. Having reasonable confidence in well-attested knowledge would be a better viewpoint to hold.

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Or we can believe in the freedom which allows us to exercise our gift of faith.

No, because that is flagrant theobollocks.

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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #52081 on: Today at 07:24:45 AM »
It depends on the ultimate source of "will"
If our will is defined by uncontrollable material reactions, we obviously would have no choice.
Do we have a choice about what to put our faith in?
We can put our faith in the ability of material reactions to define every "choice" we make.
Or we can believe in the freedom which allows us to exercise our gift of faith.

OK, that is just a belief, then, it is not a conclusion from evidence.

You may think we are free to choose what to believe and what to understand and what desires to have.  However this claim makes no sense.  I cannot just choose to understand something that I don't understand, nor can I just choose to want something that I don't want.  Such things are beyond our conscious control. We are all products of the influences which shape us.