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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #9425 on: February 02, 2016, 01:21:02 PM »

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« Reply #9426 on: February 02, 2016, 01:24:18 PM »
Of course bluehillside, that isn't in dispute.
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floo, I posted a link to a wiki article in my previous post, which gives definitions of the word 'soul'.   Don't feel obliged to read it  :D but I thought you might find it interesting.
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Shaker, well done.  I tried to copy youtube links for soul music but when I got back here, I couldn't post any.  Anyway you got there first and who doesn't like James Brown?  I'd like to try to post an Amy Winehouse one so wish me luck.

I found that a rather strange definition of the term 'soul'.

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« Reply #9427 on: February 02, 2016, 01:32:55 PM »
Floo,

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Ehhhhhhhhhhh?

James Brown - "The Godfather of Soul".
"Don't make me come down there."

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« Reply #9428 on: February 02, 2016, 01:43:48 PM »
Floo,

James Brown - "The Godfather of Soul".

Sorry I am still not getting it?

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« Reply #9429 on: February 02, 2016, 01:44:33 PM »
I define 'soul' as another word for consciousness, how do other posters define the word?
As a group of letters forming a single-syllable word because such a thing was needed to talk about an aspect, an apparent aspect, of our human feelings, reactions and behaviours.


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« Reply #9430 on: February 02, 2016, 01:48:59 PM »
Floo,

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Sorry I am still not getting it?

Seriously? You asked what how people define "soul". James Brown was a probably the most famous soul singer ever. Ippy (I think it was) was making a small play on the word "soul" there - his definition of "soul" is James Brown. 
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« Reply #9431 on: February 02, 2016, 01:51:51 PM »
Floo,

Seriously? You asked what how people define "soul". James Brown was a probably the most famous soul singer ever. Ippy (I think it was) was making a small play on the word "soul" there - his definition of "soul" is James Brown.

I have never heard of 'soul' in the context of a singer, but then I have no like, or interest, in music, so that is not surprising.

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« Reply #9432 on: February 02, 2016, 02:00:59 PM »
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I have never heard of 'soul' in the context of a singer, but then I have no like, or interest, in music, so that is not surprising.

Wow!

Motown? Stax? Atlantic?

Martha Reeves & the Vandellas? Otis Redding? Ben E. King?

Marvin Gaye? Smokey Robinson (with or without the Miracles)?

Anything?

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« Reply #9433 on: February 02, 2016, 02:02:49 PM »
Floo,

Seriously? You asked what how people define "soul". James Brown was a probably the most famous soul singer ever. Ippy (I think it was) was making a small play on the word "soul" there - his definition of "soul" is James Brown.

Not I Blue, It was that very naughty boy Shaker again somebody's let him get off of the step.

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« Reply #9434 on: February 02, 2016, 02:05:05 PM »
Floo,

Wow!

Motown? Stax? Atlantic?

Martha Reeves & the Vandellas? Otis Redding? Ben E. King?

Marvin Gaye? Smokey Robinson (with or without the Miracles)?

Anything?

Definitely NOT! I put up with quiet classical music as my husband likes it, but generally music, especially pop, is a noise which does my head in. >:(

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« Reply #9435 on: February 02, 2016, 02:10:20 PM »
Sorry ipster - my bad (as da yoof put it)
"Don't make me come down there."

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« Reply #9436 on: February 02, 2016, 02:13:14 PM »
"Don't make me come down there."

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« Reply #9437 on: February 02, 2016, 02:17:18 PM »

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« Reply #9438 on: February 02, 2016, 02:18:56 PM »
Floo,

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No thanks!

Philistine!
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« Reply #9439 on: February 02, 2016, 02:30:20 PM »
I don't get the need to distinguish between 'spirit' and 'soul'. To me the terms are interchangeable; they represent the things, the needs, pleasures and loves within each of us that intertwine to make us who we are. And so spirituality is the nurture and feeding of those things. But that's not to suggest anything other than a physical cause, nor the idea that it continues after death.

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« Reply #9440 on: February 02, 2016, 02:52:15 PM »
"Emergence" describes properties that are caused by simpler components that individually have no concept of those properties
In essence our whole universe is composed of simple components comprising atomic particles.

The only thing that can have concept of any properties is something which has conscious awareness.

So what makes emergence special outside of conscious awareness?
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« Reply #9441 on: February 02, 2016, 03:07:14 PM »
In essence our whole universe is composed of simple components comprising atomic particles.

The only thing that can have concept of any properties is something which has conscious awareness.

So what makes emergence special outside of conscious awareness?

Except that you're conflating 'things' here. People - those 'things' that have consciousness - are an accumulation of other 'things'. 'Things' don't tire, yet people do; 'things' don't fear, yet people do. Emotions are an emergent behaviour - atoms do not cry, leptons do not laugh and bosons (to my knowledge) are not given to dream.

Yet people, conglomerations of these, do. All of these have entirely physiological explanatory causes - why do you presume that consciousness is different from these? Why do you presume, in the absence of any evidence for something else, that there must be something else?

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« Reply #9442 on: February 02, 2016, 03:10:43 PM »
In essence our whole universe is comprised of simple components comprising atomic particles.

The only thing that can have concept of any properties is something which has conscious awareness.

So what makes emergence special outside of conscious awareness?

Must be a very hollow empty experience communicating with yourself all the time Alan, oh, of course, you don't think you are.

The six nations is coming up Saturday onwards, now that really is there; come on Alan, there you are fill your boots up with something worthwhile give yourself a break.

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« Reply #9443 on: February 02, 2016, 03:13:50 PM »
AB,

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In essence our whole universe is composed of simple components comprising atomic particles.

Sub-atomic particle, of force and matter - yes.

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The only thing that can have concept of any properties is something which has conscious awareness.

That's definitionally moot, but ok...

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So what makes emergence special outside of conscious awareness?

What are you trying to ask here? If you're asking whether "conscious awareness" as you put it is likely to be an emergent property of the stuff of which we're made, then yes.

There's conceptually no need therefore for special pleading for it to come from somewhere else and, even if there was, you'd then have all your work ahead of you still to model it and to provide a method to verify that model.

Essentially, you're coming at this ass-backwards. You've decided that there's something you call "god", and now you're reverse-engineering from that starting point to populate your ontology with "souls", "devils" and the like. It's a bit like someone claiming that pots of gold at the ends of rainbows exist, therefore leprechauns exist whereas what they're really saying is, "leprechauns exist, therefore pots of gold at the ends of rainbows".

If nothing else, your repeated car crash reasoning of arguing from your personal incredulity should at least nudge you toward realising that.     
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« Reply #9444 on: February 02, 2016, 03:17:06 PM »
Floo,

Philistine!

It's not South Korean music Floo.

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« Reply #9445 on: February 02, 2016, 03:40:17 PM »
It's not South Korean music Floo.

ippy

Ehhhhhhhhhhh?

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« Reply #9446 on: February 02, 2016, 04:27:10 PM »
Did you never dance or sing when you were young?  Or cry to a sad song, feel exhilarated by stirring music?  I suppose it doesn't matter that much.  We're all different.

Soul music really stirs the senses.
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« Reply #9447 on: February 02, 2016, 04:33:48 PM »
Did you never dance or sing when you were young?  Or cry to a sad song, feel exhilarated by stirring music?  I suppose it doesn't matter that much.  We're all different.

Soul music really stirs the senses.

Absolutely not, my voice is terrible, and I have never danced or been to a dance in my life, or wanted to. I rarely cry and only in anger!

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« Reply #9448 on: February 02, 2016, 04:59:40 PM »
Ehhhhhhhhhhh?

Seoul, South Korea, sounds like?

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« Reply #9449 on: February 02, 2016, 05:05:21 PM »
 ;D  You are a real character floo!  I know we are all unique but you are.....especially unique I think.

When I mentioned singing I didn't mean serious singing such as a solo on stage or in a choir but just singing to yourself or maybe singing along to a record as girls do.

Seems unusual never to cry.  Still, viva la difference.

(My husband doesn't dance, far too self conscious - he will move around the floor with me if it is absolutely necessary, maybe three times since I first met him hundreds of years ago :) - but he does enjoy listening to music very much and finds it interesting, also going to concerts.)
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