Searching for GOD...

[Sassy]

I have questioned to myself why so many non believers persist in contributing to this Christian topic.  At first I presumed it might be in order to get the satisfaction of being able to ridicule Christian beliefs.  But now I believe there is something deeper - it may be their way of searching for God, or perhaps even being led to search for Him without realising it themselves.  God really does work in mysterious ways, so I just hope and pray that they continue the search until they find Him.

Alan we have a perfect right to challenge those beliefs, especially when some Christians state them as factual, without the evidence to support the claim!

Do you ever state things as factual without evidence, floo?
(I don't see anyone suggesting that you don't have a right the challenge any beliefs, floo; do you?)

I don't think I do. Where the Bible is concerned there is no verifiable evidence to support any of the fantastical claims. Of course they could be true but the probability is very low, imo.

And has anyone suggested you don't have the right to challenge beliefs?

When I was a kid I was told one should never question what was in the Bible as it was all true. I am making up for that now!

You never actually question anything in the bible. Is that because you constantly prove you have no knowledge of understand about it's contents?

And you have never substantiated the validity of your bible Sass.

ippy

Well tell everyone here what FAITH means according to the bible what exactly have we NOT substantiated that you can actually understand or tell us about... Popcorn anyone

So you never have and odds on you never will substantiate that your bible is anything more than man made then Sass; only you still haven't established whether there are any specifically god bits in it especially the mythical, magical and superstition based parts of it yet.

Another no answer post for you Sass? Surprise us all with a sensible answer.   

ippy

Ignorant evasion....ignorant evasion.....ignorant evasion.

That is all your post and posts before represent. You have NO knowledge of the bible and even less knowledge how to debate. When you have something worth answering or even something showing any knowledge of the bible let us know. Your posts are crap and have no weight in the great scheme of things. Go away Ippy  the things you write  are getting more tedious and boring with every post.
Come back when you are educated about the christian faith in the world today..

[Leonard James]

Ignorant evasion....ignorant evasion.....ignorant evasion.

That is all your post and posts before represent. You have NO knowledge of the bible and even less knowledge how to debate. When you have something worth answering or even something showing any knowledge of the bible let us know. Your posts are crap and have no weight in the great scheme of things. Go away Sassy  the things you write  are getting more tedious and boring with every post.
Come back when you are educated about the christian faith in the world today..

There Sass, corrected for you.

Your know-all attitude about the Christian faith is crap, as is your rude habit of putting down people who know better than you.

Try to loosen yourself from the idea that you are the be-all and know-all of Christianity, and admit that others may be right, instead.

[Alan Burns]

Some points on what you say.  There are many people who claim to have invited God into their lives and thereafter believe they are in tune with the will of that God and act accordingly, sometimes with disastrous consequences for others.  You can see examples within Islam and within Christianity.  Pamela Christensen was charged with attempting to murder her three daughters so that they would meet Jesus Christ, after she received instructions from her husband, a pastor, about the world coming to an end.  She stabbed two of her daughters.  No doubt the husband firmly believed in his insights and truths and it appears that his wife blindly carried out his instructions.  Your last sentence about an inability to fully articulate truths given to you by your God is a very good reason for not assuming that the writers of religious scripture were any more articulate.  Ridicule doesn't help anybody get to the truth but pertinent questions help to eliminate the false.

You can't condemn the whole of Christianity by quoting examples of those who have obviously gone astray.  There are many wonderfull inspiring stories from those who discovered the true God in their lives, such as Jakie Pullinger or Nicky Cruz, or closer to my home there are Davey Falcus and Gram Seed (both of whom I have met), but most of them probably undocumented.

[Leonard James]

There are many wonderfull inspiring stories from those who discovered the true God in their lives, most of them probably undocumented.

Such stories prove nothing more than that it is the belief in "God" that brings about the change. None of them are evidence that he exists.

[Alan Burns]

There are many wonderfull inspiring stories from those who discovered the true God in their lives, most of them probably undocumented.

Such stories prove nothing more than that it is the belief in "God" that brings about the change. None of them are evidence that he exists.

Len, It took much more than mere belief to transform the lives of people like Davey Falcus and Gram Seed.  I am sure if you met such people (as I have) you would realise there is an amazing power which can be unleashed when you put your trust in God.

[Shaker]

Len, It took much more than mere belief to transform the lives of people like Davey Falcus and Gram Seed.

Such as?

I am sure if you met such people (as I have) you would realise there is an amazing power which can be unleashed when you put your trust in God.

I am sure he wouldn't.

[ekim]

Some points on what you say.  There are many people who claim to have invited God into their lives and thereafter believe they are in tune with the will of that God and act accordingly, sometimes with disastrous consequences for others.  You can see examples within Islam and within Christianity.  Pamela Christensen was charged with attempting to murder her three daughters so that they would meet Jesus Christ, after she received instructions from her husband, a pastor, about the world coming to an end.  She stabbed two of her daughters.  No doubt the husband firmly believed in his insights and truths and it appears that his wife blindly carried out his instructions.  Your last sentence about an inability to fully articulate truths given to you by your God is a very good reason for not assuming that the writers of religious scripture were any more articulate.  Ridicule doesn't help anybody get to the truth but pertinent questions help to eliminate the false.

You can't condemn the whole of Christianity by quoting examples of those who have obviously gone astray.  There are many wonderfull inspiring stories from those who discovered the true God in their lives, such as Jakie Pullinger or Nicky Cruz, or closer to my home there are Davey Falcus and Gram Seed (both of whom I have met), but most of them probably undocumented.

You are misunderstanding my post.  It was not about condemning the whole of Christianity, that would be a whole new topic.  This topic is about searching for God.  If I am reading you correctly, your claim is that you have found God and you wish to share the insights and truths given to you.  From an outsider's perspective, there are many people from a variety of religions throughout history who have made similar claims.  In the world there are people who are adept in the art of persuasion and there are others who are suggestible.  To get to the truth, questioning is necessary to break the hold of the former and reduce the gullibility of the latter.  I am not saying that you and your friends fall into either of those categories but how is anyone to know, especially on the Internet?

[Leonard James]

There are many wonderfull inspiring stories from those who discovered the true God in their lives, most of them probably undocumented.

Such stories prove nothing more than that it is the belief in "God" that brings about the change. None of them are evidence that he exists.

Len, It took much more than mere belief to transform the lives of people like Davey Falcus and Gram Seed.  I am sure if you met such people (as I have) you would realise there is an amazing power which can be unleashed when you put your trust in God.

Not so, Alan! I don't know anything about either of these people, but I DO know that it is the belief that "God" exists that causes them to do whatever it is they have achieved.

Neither you nor they can see that, of course, and that is why all this discussion is futile.

[savillerow]

Msg 2870 AB "Its quite obvious to me that god set things in motion" This is so bloody arrogant, naive, annoying and ignorant all at the same time. Its this sort of thinking thats screwing the world up!!!!!

[floo]

There are many wonderfull inspiring stories from those who discovered the true God in their lives, most of them probably undocumented.

Such stories prove nothing more than that it is the belief in "God" that brings about the change. None of them are evidence that he exists.

Len, It took much more than mere belief to transform the lives of people like Davey Falcus and Gram Seed.  I am sure if you met such people (as I have) you would realise there is an amazing power which can be unleashed when you put your trust in God.

Not so, Alan! I don't know anything about either of these people, but I DO know that it is the belief that "God" exists that causes them to do whatever it is they have achieved.

Neither you nor they can see that, of course, and that is why all this discussion is futile.

Exactly, blind belief in something can be very powerful indeed!

[Sassy]

Ignorant evasion....ignorant evasion.....ignorant evasion.

That is all your post and posts before represent. You have NO knowledge of the bible and even less knowledge how to debate. When you have something worth answering or even something showing any knowledge of the bible let us know. Your posts are crap and have no weight in the great scheme of things. Go away Leonard  the things you write  are getting more tedious and boring with every post.
Come back when you are educated about the christian faith in the world today..

There Sass, corrected for you.

Your know-all attitude about the Christian faith is crap, as is your rude habit of putting down people who know better than you.

Try to loosen yourself from the idea that you are the be-all and know-all of Christianity, and admit that others may be right, instead.

Now that is more truthful....

The truth is ALL Christians are suppose to know the truth.
The bible supports what I believe and it also confirms the things I say. Until you can PROVE different the above has to apply to you....

[Sassy]

Some points on what you say.  There are many people who claim to have invited God into their lives and thereafter believe they are in tune with the will of that God and act accordingly, sometimes with disastrous consequences for others.  You can see examples within Islam and within Christianity.  Pamela Christensen was charged with attempting to murder her three daughters so that they would meet Jesus Christ, after she received instructions from her husband, a pastor, about the world coming to an end.  She stabbed two of her daughters.  No doubt the husband firmly believed in his insights and truths and it appears that his wife blindly carried out his instructions.  Your last sentence about an inability to fully articulate truths given to you by your God is a very good reason for not assuming that the writers of religious scripture were any more articulate.  Ridicule doesn't help anybody get to the truth but pertinent questions help to eliminate the false.

You can't condemn the whole of Christianity by quoting examples of those who have obviously gone astray.  There are many wonderfull inspiring stories from those who discovered the true God in their lives, such as Jakie Pullinger or Nicky Cruz, or closer to my home there are Davey Falcus and Gram Seed (both of whom I have met), but most of them probably undocumented.

Michael Wilkinson made some very life changing decisions which caused life to come to gang members in America. His writings in the 70's were so real as they have come true with the European union and the one monetary system.

Alan we could start a forum up of your own for believers. It could be a really growing spiritual point of concern for believers...

[Leonard James]

Yes, Sass, of course! I should have known better than to argue with somebody who knows it all!

[SusanDoris]

Msg 2870 AB "Its quite obvious to me that god set things in motion" This is so bloody arrogant, naive, annoying and ignorant all at the same time. Its this sort of thinking thats screwing the world up!!!!!

Spot on! And reading through AB's posts is like wading through treacle, isn't it?

[floo]

Ignorant evasion....ignorant evasion.....ignorant evasion.

That is all your post and posts before represent. You have NO knowledge of the bible and even less knowledge how to debate. When you have something worth answering or even something showing any knowledge of the bible let us know. Your posts are crap and have no weight in the great scheme of things. Go away Leonard  the things you write  are getting more tedious and boring with every post.
Come back when you are educated about the christian faith in the world today..

There Sass, corrected for you.

Your know-all attitude about the Christian faith is crap, as is your rude habit of putting down people who know better than you.

Try to loosen yourself from the idea that you are the be-all and know-all of Christianity, and admit that others may be right, instead.

Now that is more truthful....

The truth is ALL Christians are suppose to know the truth.
The bible supports what I believe and it also confirms the things I say. Until you can PROVE different the above has to apply to you....

Just because the 'know all' Sass believes it to be true, doesn't mean it is! In fact if it confirms the POV of  Sass then it has to be in error!

[Alan Burns]

You are misunderstanding my post.  It was not about condemning the whole of Christianity, that would be a whole new topic.  This topic is about searching for God.  If I am reading you correctly, your claim is that you have found God and you wish to share the insights and truths given to you.  From an outsider's perspective, there are many people from a variety of religions throughout history who have made similar claims.  In the world there are people who are adept in the art of persuasion and there are others who are suggestible.  To get to the truth, questioning is necessary to break the hold of the former and reduce the gullibility of the latter.  I am not saying that you and your friends fall into either of those categories but how is anyone to know, especially on the Internet?

I think one way to asses whether someone's claim to have found God is genuine is to look at the fruits their faith produces.
Matthew 7:16 You shall know them by their fruits

[Leonard James]

I think one way to asses whether someone's claim to have found God is genuine is to look at the fruits their faith produces.
Matthew 7:16 You shall know them by their fruits

Of course it is! But that doesn't prove that "God" really exists.

[Alan Burns]

Msg 2870 AB "Its quite obvious to me that god set things in motion" This is so bloody arrogant, naive, annoying and ignorant all at the same time. Its this sort of thinking thats screwing the world up!!!!!

It becomes obvious when you accept the reality of God's existence.

So I am curious to know what you think set up the beginning of this universe with all its natural laws?

[Alan Burns]

I think one way to asses whether someone's claim to have found God is genuine is to look at the fruits their faith produces.
Matthew 7:16 You shall know them by their fruits

Of course it is! But that doesn't prove that "God" really exists.

It may not satisfy your standards of proof, Len, but it is just one of many indications to  the reality of God's existence. 

[Leonard James]

I think one way to asses whether someone's claim to have found God is genuine is to look at the fruits their faith produces.
Matthew 7:16 You shall know them by their fruits

Of course it is! But that doesn't prove that "God" really exists.

It may not satisfy your standards of proof, Len, but it is just one of many indications to  the reality of God's existence.

Nope, the indications are all pointing to the fact that belief in "God" can change people's lives, that's all.

[Shaker]

It becomes obvious when you accept the reality of God's existence.

Who would be so silly as to do that?

[Leonard James]

Msg 2870 AB "Its quite obvious to me that god set things in motion" This is so bloody arrogant, naive, annoying and ignorant all at the same time. Its this sort of thinking thats screwing the world up!!!!!

It becomes obvious when you accept the reality of God's existence.

So I am curious to know what you think set up the beginning of this universe with all its natural laws?

The only honest answer to this question is "We don't know". Inventing silly god stories just to get an answer is for children.

[Rhiannon]

Msg 2870 AB "Its quite obvious to me that god set things in motion" This is so bloody arrogant, naive, annoying and ignorant all at the same time. Its this sort of thinking thats screwing the world up!!!!!

It becomes obvious when you accept the reality of God's existence.

So I am curious to know what you think set up the beginning of this universe with all its natural laws?

The only honest answer to this question is "We don't know". Inventing silly god stories just to get an answer is for children.

My daughter had to put up with her friend telling her to ignore the geography teacher as he was talking nonsense and God made the universe in six days. Not sure what is more worrying, the fact they were year & or the fact her parents are teachers.

[Leonard James]

My daughter had to put up with her friend telling her to ignore the geography teacher as he was talking nonsense and God made the universe in six days. Not sure what is more worrying, the fact they were year & or the fact her parents are teachers.

Good grief, Rhi, where do you live? That should be reported to the school authorities ... they have no right to be teaching if those are their views. 

[Shaker]

My daughter had to put up with her friend telling her to ignore the geography teacher as he was talking nonsense and God made the universe in six days. Not sure what is more worrying, the fact they were year & or the fact her parents are teachers.

Good grief, Rhi, where do you live? That should be reported to the school authorities ... they have no right to be teaching if those are their views. 

Slight misunderstanding Len: Rhi wasn't saying that the girl's parents were promoting such views in the classroom, only that said girl was/is the daughter of teachers.

Mind you, that's bloody worrying in itself; the girl didn't come up with such ideas spontaneously so it's a fair bet that she absorbed them in the family home, so even if those parents aren't teaching such views, it's likely that they hold them regardless