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« Reply #4375 on: October 11, 2015, 02:31:49 PM »
My husband says he would sooner be dead than suffering from dementia.

That is precisely how I feel, not least because of the stress and sadness it inflicts on those lumbered with caring for us.

My brother-in-law's wife (81) does her best, with some help from carers, but it must be a terrible strain for her seeing the man she married nearly 60 years ago reduced to the state he is in today. :o  The irony is that they are very religious of the 'born again' ilk; he was a Baptist minister for many years.  The deity, if it exists, doesn't give a damn about the suffering of one of its own! :o

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« Reply #4376 on: October 11, 2015, 02:42:40 PM »
The deity, if it exists, doesn't give a damn about the suffering of one of its own! :o

No doubt the Christians here can "explain" it to you, Roses.

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« Reply #4377 on: October 11, 2015, 03:05:17 PM »
The deity, if it exists, doesn't give a damn about the suffering of one of its own! :o

No doubt the Christians here can "explain" it to you, Roses.

They have ready made excuses for the behaviour of their deity! ::)

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« Reply #4378 on: October 11, 2015, 03:10:09 PM »

You really are an arrogant piece, aren't you?


Another example of you being unable to follow your own rules.
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« Reply #4379 on: October 11, 2015, 04:02:14 PM »

You really are an arrogant piece, aren't you?


Another example of you being unable to follow your own rules.

Don't be such an infantile point-scorer  -  if it can be said to be point-scoring!
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« Reply #4380 on: October 11, 2015, 06:31:18 PM »

You really are an arrogant piece, aren't you?


Another example of you being unable to follow your own rules.

Don't be such an infantile point-scorer  -  if it can be said to be point-scoring!

And again.
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« Reply #4381 on: October 11, 2015, 10:39:34 PM »
Just returning to the subject of this thread, a recent reading from the "Word for today" publication reminded me of just how important it is for people to find God before it is too late:


JESUS SAID when we see calamity and apostasy,
don’t give in to fear because they’re signs of His
imminent return. ‘But he who endures to the end
shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom
will be preached in all the world as a witness
to all the nations, and then the end will come’
(w.13-14 NKJV). Every prophecy concerning
Christ's first coming was fulfilled in detail, and
so will every prophecy concerning His second
coming. Our mandate is to work, pray, give, and
take the gospel to the whole world - then Christ
will return. Though the Church is winnowed
down like Gideon's army, and the world is in a
state of upheaval, don’t overreact. ‘Be still in the
presence of the LORD, and wait patiently for him
to act. Don't worry about evil people who prosper
or fret about their wicked schemes’ (Psalms
37:7 NLT). God’s hand is still on the wheel. ‘...
the Most High ruleth in the kingdom of men...’
(Daniel 4:17 KJV). Avoid Pollyanna optimism.
Though you may be personally blessed, the
world order as you know it will continue to
disintegrate. But that doesn’t mean you should
join the ‘Chicken Licken chorus’ and declare,
‘The sky’s falling down!’ Don't give in to the
extremes of blind denial or blatant panic. When
the bombs of World War ll levelled Warsaw, only
one skeletal structure remained standing on the
city’s main street. lt was the British and Foreign
Bible Society, and on its walls was clearly
written: ‘Heaven and earth shall pass away, but
my words shall not pass away’ (Matthew 24:35
KJV).
The truth will set you free  - John 8:32
Truth is not an abstraction, but a person - Edith Stein
Free will, though it makes evil possible, is also the only thing that makes possible any love or goodness or joy worth having. - CS Lewis
Joy is the Gigantic Secret of Christians - GK Chesterton

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« Reply #4382 on: October 11, 2015, 10:55:39 PM »
I believe that everyone will have at least one moment in their lives when Jesus is close to them.  He will not compel, but He waits to be invited in.  The fear is that He will see beyond our outward appearance, and see our deepest traits which we try to hide from others - even from ourselves.  He sees deep into the depths of our soul, but He does not condemn.  From today's Gospel reading when Jesus meets a rich man:


Mark 10:v21 "Jesus looked steadily at him and loved him"
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« Reply #4383 on: October 12, 2015, 12:07:32 AM »

You really are an arrogant piece, aren't you?


Another example of you being unable to follow your own rules.

Don't be such an infantile point-scorer  -  if it can be said to be point-scoring!

And again.

It's a pity you can't seem to understand what debate is all about  -  you do exactly the same things as I do, with the added foulness of your language.  You should devote a little more of your massive googling time to improving your vocabulary:  just a friendly suggestion.
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« Reply #4384 on: October 12, 2015, 06:35:28 AM »
You should devote a little more of your massive googling time to improving your vocabulary:  just a friendly suggestion.

Unfortuntely for you, no amount of time will return your ability to think logically. That has been completely eclipsed by your obsession with your belief.

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« Reply #4385 on: October 12, 2015, 07:27:19 AM »
Just returning to the subject of this thread, a recent reading from the "Word for today" publication reminded me of just how important it is for people to find God before it is too late...

If God wanted to be found, he wouldn't hide. 

Trying to frighten people into belief is a sign that there is no authentic grounds for belief.

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« Reply #4386 on: October 12, 2015, 07:35:02 AM »
We might feel more inclined to give it a go if we thought it'd have a positive effect - make us better people, introduce us to a good set of mates to hang out with. As it is, we can only conclude what might happen based on the behaviour of existing Christians.

Tempting, isn't it?  :-\

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« Reply #4387 on: October 12, 2015, 08:28:44 AM »
We might feel more inclined to give it a go if we thought it'd have a positive effect - make us better people, introduce us to a good set of mates to hang out with. As it is, we can only conclude what might happen based on the behaviour of existing Christians.

Tempting, isn't it?  :-\
I have to say that many Christians I know are the happiest, most joyful people I have ever met.  I am not talking of the obvious "happy clappy" type, but people who have an inner joy which shines through in their lives no matter what trials they meet.  One such person is my friend Andrew, Becky's husband (see prayer thread), who continues to be an amazing witness to his faith.  And his wife Becky always had a wonderful smile on her face whenever I met her.
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Truth is not an abstraction, but a person - Edith Stein
Free will, though it makes evil possible, is also the only thing that makes possible any love or goodness or joy worth having. - CS Lewis
Joy is the Gigantic Secret of Christians - GK Chesterton

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« Reply #4388 on: October 12, 2015, 09:19:14 AM »

I have to say that many Christians I know are the happiest, most joyful people I have ever met.  I am not talking of the obvious "happy clappy" type, but people who have an inner joy which shines through in their lives no matter what trials they meet.  One such person is my friend Andrew, Becky's husband (see prayer thread), who continues to be an amazing witness to his faith.  And his wife Becky always had a wonderful smile on her face whenever I met her.

That applies to everybody who has found what they believe to be the truth. Sadly, it does not mean their belief is true.

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« Reply #4389 on: October 12, 2015, 09:23:48 AM »
I find it difficult to understand how those who believe 'you must be 'saved' or go to hell' could be happy if they think their 'unsaved' relatives and friends are going to hell just for unbelief even if they are good people! What an unjust dogma that is! :o

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« Reply #4390 on: October 12, 2015, 09:48:28 AM »

If God wanted to be found, he wouldn't hide. 

God is there for everyone.  It is the power of evil which tries to keep Him hidden.  When the scales of deception fall away, you will be amazed at His presence.
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Truth is not an abstraction, but a person - Edith Stein
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Joy is the Gigantic Secret of Christians - GK Chesterton

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« Reply #4391 on: October 12, 2015, 09:54:41 AM »

If God wanted to be found, he wouldn't hide. 

God is there for everyone.  It is the power of evil which tries to keep Him hidden.  When the scales of deception fall away, you will be amazed at His presence.

What a romantic guy you are, Alan! But that's all it is ... romancing!  :)

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« Reply #4392 on: October 12, 2015, 09:58:32 AM »

If God wanted to be found, he wouldn't hide. 

God is there for everyone.  It is the power of evil which tries to keep Him hidden.  When the scales of deception fall away, you will be amazed at His presence.

Why didn't God create us with the power to see through that deception? Why did God create that evil in the first place? Why doesn't God make himself clear to the many of us that explore reality with an open mind and don't find him?

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« Reply #4393 on: October 12, 2015, 10:12:33 AM »
We might feel more inclined to give it a go if we thought it'd have a positive effect - make us better people, introduce us to a good set of mates to hang out with. As it is, we can only conclude what might happen based on the behaviour of existing Christians.

Tempting, isn't it?  :-\
I have to say that many Christians I know are the happiest, most joyful people I have ever met.  I am not talking of the obvious "happy clappy" type, but people who have an inner joy which shines through in their lives no matter what trials they meet.  One such person is my friend Andrew, Becky's husband (see prayer thread), who continues to be an amazing witness to his faith.  And his wife Becky always had a wonderful smile on her face whenever I met her.

My bestest mate is a Christian. She exemplifies everything that is good in Christian teaching - honour, selflessness, truthfulness, generosity. Not once has she ever tried to get me to turn back to the church, not least because the God she prays to and relates to doesn't condemn people for unbelief.

The problem is that too many Christians make their god seem petty, small-minded and spiteful, because that is how they themselves act. Who would want to be associated with such a thing?

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« Reply #4394 on: October 12, 2015, 10:15:50 AM »

My bestest mate is a Christian. She exemplifies everything that is good in Christian teaching - honour, selflessness, truthfulness, generosity. Not once has she ever tried to get me to turn back to the church, not least because the God she prays to and relates to doesn't condemn people for unbelief.

The problem is that too many Christians make their god seem petty, small-minded and spiteful, because that is how they themselves act. Who would want to be associated with such a thing?

Why do people want to associate themselves with god beliefs at all? That is what puzzles me!

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« Reply #4395 on: October 12, 2015, 10:19:10 AM »

If God wanted to be found, he wouldn't hide. 

God is there for everyone.  It is the power of evil which tries to keep Him hidden.  When the scales of deception fall away, you will be amazed at His presence.

God isn't there for everyone.  It is the power of evil which makes you think it is real.  When the scales of deception fall away, you will be amazed at how good you can be.
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« Reply #4396 on: October 12, 2015, 10:19:49 AM »
Sassy,

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tah da tah da tah da.

Started reading but you never listen and take no notice. Your sarcasm and insult is noted now let the adults get back to discussions.

The breathtaking irony of the last seven words is noted.

Ah well, again I tried. As with TW, look after yourself and wrap up warm this winter won't you. If your private beliefs, whatever they are, comfort you then all well and good - just don't expect anyone else to agree with them is all until you can finally express them in comprehensible and logically coherent terms.

I wish you well.

Your patience and kindness in the face of such rudeness is commendable, Blue. I'm afraid mine ran out long ago.

There is absolutely no way to get brains addled by religious rot to think sensibly about the subject, even though they may be quite normal in other areas.

When it comes to their religion, they are nothing more than programmed robots.

It is very hard not to respond to the jibes of the handful of 'Christian' posters who go out of their way to be nasty to those who don't see it their way.


Whereas in reality the Christian is not being nasty. Nothing to do with who sees what their way. It is a fact that the atheist have attacked the believers but the bias is clear when you refuse to see what is in front of you. Do you think that is why you get it wrong all the time and know nothing about God and Christ?


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They incite others by their unpleasant WUMMY posts.
Nothing WUMMY except from atheists and your post being exactly that. If appears the Cap is a perfect fit for you, in this case.
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Maeght is right when he suggests we shouldn't give into responding in that way, but one has to be a saint not to let rip from time to time when the goading gets too intense. :o

This being the word type of Goading...your posts. Which are purposely written to misrepresent what is actually happening. The atheists attacking the believers with sarcasm, insult  and false accusations.
You are guilty on all charges. Your birds have come home to roost. You and those you speak up for are the ones guilty of what you accuse others of doing. Should be ashamed of yourself a woman of your age doing such things.

 
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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #4397 on: October 12, 2015, 10:20:29 AM »

If God wanted to be found, he wouldn't hide. 

God is there for everyone.  It is the power of evil which tries to keep Him hidden.  When the scales of deception fall away, you will be amazed at His presence.

Why didn't God create us with the power to see through that deception? Why did God create that evil in the first place? Why doesn't God make himself clear to the many of us that explore reality with an open mind and don't find him?

O.

Outrider I'll go along with most of that, but I'm not looking for any him; there's no good reason that makes me want to look.

ippy

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« Reply #4398 on: October 12, 2015, 10:22:39 AM »

Outrider I'll go along with most of that, but I'm not looking for any him; there's no good reason that makes me want to look.

ippy

We are among the lucky people who find life fulfilling and understandable without the need of god beliefs.

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« Reply #4399 on: October 12, 2015, 10:25:20 AM »

Outrider I'll go along with most of that, but I'm not looking for any him; there's no good reason that makes me want to look.

ippy

We are among the lucky people who find life fulfilling and understandable without the need of god beliefs.

We are among the lucky people who find life fulfilling and understandable without the need of god beliefs.

Fixed that for you - how people get to a fulfilling life isn't that important. Religion is a problem not because people find the 'wrong' sort of fulfillment, but because it too often leads people to try to impose their sort of fulfillment on others.

Being happy is far, far more important than being 'right', but being 'right' is only a problem if your hobby is being 'right' AT people.

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