Searching for GOD...

[Shaker]

Whatever happens to Becky, I know she is safely in God's hands.

You have a different definition of safety to me - mine doesn't include a brain tumour and pneumonia.

[Shaker]

It would appear to be a label commonly applied to my posts when someone disagrees with me. 

Wrong again Alan - it's a label so commonly applied because you commit so many of them so often.

[BeRational]

Whatever happens to Becky, I know she is safely in God's hands.  Her faith has inspired many people including myself and her husband Andrew, who confesses to being a luke warm Christian before he met Becky.

You have said it right there. No matter what happens you still think god is with you.
This is closed mindedness and not open to new ideas and new evidence.

Thank goodness science DOES care about outcomes!

[Gordon]

But this "infection" as you call it has defined much of the civilised society we live in today.

To a point, not all of which are commendable though.

Is there any alternative society without a Christian heritage where you would prefer to live?

Not really, but then again the 'Christian' aspect of the heritage of the U.K. is peripheral if you want it to be so.

Or try to imagine what sort of society our inherently self centred human ancestors would have developed without the contraints of Christian teachings and morality?

Morality isn't solely within the remit of Christians you know, Alan: I'd say the moral philosophy of Aristotle is fairly significant.

Would the summit of human entertainment be the modern equivalent of the gory spectacles performed in the colliseum in Rome?

A fallacious argument from consequences, Alan: that without Christianity there would be barbarism! Then again, it seems you do love your fallacies.

[Shaker]

A fallacious argument from consequences, Alan: that without Christianity there would be barbarism! Then again, it seems you do love your fallacies.

Fnar 

[jeremyp]

Whereas dustmen have been very important to your well-being!

Exactly.

[jeremyp]

You may well understand the immediate meaning of the written words, but not their implication.

No it's you who doesn't understand their implication.

[bluehillside Retd.]

AB,

It would appear to be a label commonly applied to my posts when someone disagrees with me. 

No Alan, not when someone "disagrees" with you but with your arguments when they are are manifestly wrong.

Let's say for example that I said that if I didn't step on the cracks in the pavement on my walk home then Granny would get over her tickly cough, when I got home she had indeed stopped coughing, and that I then claimed that it was my walking pattern that had effected the cure.

Would you just "disagree" with me, or would you say something more like, "that argument is hopeless because there's no causal relationship between the two so I can discount you claim"?

Frustratingly, it's this fallacy (called the post hoc ergo propter hoc) and many others on which all your arguments for an objectively true god rely. All that's happening here is that people are pointing out - correctly as it happens - that your arguments are bad ones. If you seriously think that you god is also my god, then it's your job finally to make an argument for that proposition that isn't broken. 

Do you even see the problem you have here?

[Gonnagle]

Dear Rhiannon,

Gonners, I'm a pantheist - so in a sense I agree that if you want to claim that the artistry of human beings is a spark of God I can agree, kind of... what the Quakers call the Light within. Where I leave you though is the idea that only humanity has this spark - as soon as we believe that we are on the path to worshipping ourselves. It's stopping seeing the earth and the life that we share it with as our own sacred kin that has caused untold suffering - human suffering included - and could well lead to our own demise.

 I worship God but I see God in our achievements.

Gonnagle.

[Nearly Sane]

Dear Rhiannon,

 I worship God but I see God in our achievements.

Gonnagle.

If god is responsible for Einstein, he is also responsible for Hitler.

[Shaker]

If god is responsible for Einstein, he is also responsible for Hitler.

But then, cherry-picking the nice stuff (sunsets, rainbows and kittens) while conveniently excusing the bad stuff (a brain tumour in a relatively young mother of five) has ever been one of the hallmarks of theism.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Sane,

Good argument, probably true, but at what point does Hitler touch our higher self, and are you trying to end this wonderful thread, well most parts are wonderful

Gonnagle.

[Gonnagle]

Dear Shaker,

What the hell has Einstein got to do with sunsets and kittens, Schrödinger's cat maybe

Gonnagle.

[SusanDoris]

Gonnagle

You say you 'worship' God. How?

[Gonnagle]

Dear Susan,

Good question, by following the teachings of Our Lord Jesus Christ, by making this central in my life, 

"Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."

this is how I worship God.

Gonnagle.

[Nearly Sane]

Dear Sane,

Good argument, probably true, but at what point does Hitler touch our higher self, and are you trying to end this wonderful thread, well most parts are wonderful

Gonnagle.

I, as noted previously, think it's a shite thread packed with this and other message boards, greatest shits of repetition.

My point had been made many times before, it is only good in that it has been constantly ignored when the whole 'wonderful world' pish is rolled out.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Hi Gonners,

this is how I worship God.

Just out of interest, why on earth would you want to "worship" anything - or indeed think that a god comfortable in his skin would even want to be worshipped? I can see that a petty despot would go for it, but a god?   

[bluehillside Retd.]

NS,

...greatest shits of repetition. ...

Ah, The Greatest Shits of Repetition. I remember them when they were still supporting The Hexagons of Lightning.

[Nearly Sane]

NS,

Ah, The Greatest Shits of Repetition. I remember them when they were still supporting The Hexagons of Lightning.

Naw, it's a K-Tel compilation

[Alan Burns]

I, as noted previously, think it's a shite thread packed with this and other message boards, greatest shits of repetition.

My point had been made many times before, it is only good in that it has been constantly ignored when the whole 'wonderful world' pish is rolled out.

But if everything was wonderful, we would not recognise it as such.  Perhaps the difference beween good and bad we perceive in this world will help us to appreciate the wonders of our heavenly home.

[Shaker]

And perhaps Simon the Giant Purple Lobster will win the 1500 metres, but I'm not banking on it Al.

[Alan Burns]

And perhaps Simon the Giant Purple Lobster will win the 1500 metres, but I'm not banking on it Al.

And where does Simon the Giant Purple Lobster eminate from?
Could it be the creative imagination of your human soul?
Or the uncontrolled mechanistic reactions in your brain cells?

[BeRational]

And where does Simon the Giant Purple Lobster eminate from?
Could it be the creative imagination of your human soul?
Or the uncontrolled mechanistic reactions in your brain cells?

Will you not just be asked the same question?

All you have is assertions.
Any assertion made without evidence, can be discounted without evidence.

I think that was the point of Simon. You have not backed up your god, so why would you ask for Simon to be backed up?

[Rhiannon]

I, as noted previously, think it's a shite thread packed with this and other message boards, greatest shits of repetition.

My point had been made many times before, it is only good in that it has been constantly ignored when the whole 'wonderful world' pish is rolled out.

There's some stunning stuff on this thread. Some total shite as well, but some stunning stuff nevertheless.

[Rhiannon]

Dear Sane,

Good argument, probably true, but at what point does Hitler touch our higher self, and are you trying to end this wonderful thread, well most parts are wonderful

Gonnagle.

If Einstein, Turner, sunsets and rainbows come from God then so does Hitler, Fred West, influenza pandemics and cyclones. No picking and choosing.