Searching for GOD...

[torridon]

I doubt if he had Nietzsche in mind but Steve Jones has made comments in a similar vein, suggesting that human ingenuity has largely removed the species from natural selection.

Sexual selection is still alive and kicking though.  I mean, like , have you ever seen Priyanka Chopra ?

[Shaker]

I have now!

[torridon]

Down boy 

[Nearly Sane]

I had Nietzche in mind, I remember in Twilight of the Idols he rants against Christianity for being anti-nature, in that nature tends to keep a lean and fit population by consistently picking off the weak, the vulnerable, the unfit etc. whereas Christian values march in the polar opposite direction with compassion for all, this translating into our modern notion of human rights; this stands in direct opposition to Nature and what is natural.

And the hint of this hides behind Wells with the Eloi and the Morlocks. The whiff of classism.

[Shaker]

And the hint of this hides behind Wells with the Eloi and the Morlocks. The whiff of classism.

Nietzsche's philosophy vis-a-vis humans was pretty well founded entirely upon this.

[ippy]

For Alan though that would just be proof of the cloven hoofed one, wandering around the experiment, tempting away in his twisty tempty way.

Like I said N S, he'll turn himself inside out; religion is a powerful delusion for most people that have been so successfully indoctrinated in the way Alan has.

ippy

[Nearly Sane]

Nietzsche's philosophy vis-a-vis humans was pretty well founded entirely upon this.

Agreed, a brilliant thinker, with a gift for expression but it doesn't support  just because of that.

[Nearly Sane]

Like I said N S, he'll turn himself inside out; religion is a powerful delusion for most people that have been so successfully indoctrinated in the way Alan has.

ippy

Positive claim in the delusion there. Care to back it up?

[ippy]

Positive claim in the delusion there. Care to back it up?

Where there's no evidence to support the magical mystical or superstional parts of these religious beliefs, well if there is I haven't heard of it, what else is it other than delusional?

ippy

[Nearly Sane]

Where there's no evidence to support the magical mystical or superstional parts of these religious beliefs, well if there is I haven't heard of it, what else is it other than delusional?

ippy

Because 'delusional' isn't a claim about lack of evidence, it's a claim that any claim made is just delusion. lack of shared evidence isn't evidence that someone is deluded. You Don't really get the burden of proof?

[ippy]

Because 'delusional' isn't a claim about lack of evidence, it's a claim that any claim made is just delusion. lack of shared evidence isn't evidence that someone is deluded. You Don't really get the burden of proof?

Semantics NS, there are some thick contributers to this forum, never have seen anything posted here by you that have given me even the slightest suggestion of anything of that kind coming from your direction.

ippy

[Nearly Sane]

Semantics NS, there are some thick contributers to this forum, never have seen anything posted here by you that have given me even the slightest suggestion of anything of that kind coming from your direction.

ippy

Nope, ippy, logic. You have made a postive very claim in the use of 'delusional' so it's for you to provide evidence on thar.

[Sebastian Toe]

I sincerely wish that the devil did not exist, but I can't bring myself to ignore the evidence. 

I am sure it would have helped if you were aware of how the devil tempts us away from God.

Are you aware of how the devil tempts people away from God?

[Alan Burns]

Are you aware of how the devil tempts people away from God?

I am very much aware of the reality and nature of temptation.  How it happens is not known to me.

[ippy]

Nope, ippy, logic. You have made a positive very claim in the use of 'delusional' so it's for you to provide evidence on that.

As per my original post on this subject, I made reference to people that believe in unsubstantiated things such as the magical, mystical and superstitious parts of their religious beliefs, what word would you use to describe anyone that truly believes things that there's no hope for them that they will ever substantiate these beliefs?

ippy

[Shaker]

I am very much aware of the reality and nature of temptation.  How it happens is not known to me.

In which case why do you maintain that the devil is involved?

[Nearly Sane]

As per my original post on this subject, I made reference to people that believe in unsubstantiated things such as the magical, mystical and superstitious parts of their religious beliefs, what word would you use to describe anyone that truly believes things that there's no hope for them that they will ever substantiate these beliefs?

ippy

Not having enough evidence for what they think in my opinion? You made the claim that they are delusional get back to me when you understand the burden of proof and that claim.

[ippy]

Not having enough evidence for what they think in my opinion? You made the claim that they are delusional get back to me when you understand the burden of proof and that claim.

"Not having enough evidence for what they think in my opinion"?

I'm not making any claims about anything supernatural, mythical or magical, don't you think if any of that stuff had evidence that would support it there might have been a mention of this elusive evidence in the media somewhere? No?

Doesn't the above suggest to you that proof might not be my problem?

This is the sort of stuff poor old Hope keeps getting a drubbing for? I didn't think you were into anything like this?

ippy

 

[Nearly Sane]

"Not having enough evidence for what they think in my opinion"?

I'm not making any claims about anything supernatural, mythical or magical, don't you think if any of that stuff had evidence that would support it there might have been a mention of this elusive evidence in the media somewhere? No?

Doesn't the above suggest to you that proof might not be my problem?

This is the sort of stuff poor old Hope keeps getting a drumming for? I didn't think you were into anything like this?

ippy

 

You really don't understand about the burden of proof and positive claims at all, do you?

[ippy]

You really don't understand about the burden of proof and positive claims at all, do you?

Not my problem N S; when I claim something like my many secret conversations with Elvis please come back to me,  I'll be here.

ippy

[Sebastian Toe]

I am very much aware of the reality and nature of temptation.  How it happens is not known to me.

Then if you don't know, how on earth would others be expected to know?

I am sure it would have helped if you were aware of how the devil tempts us away from God.

[Nearly Sane]

Not my problem N S; when I claim something like my many secret conversations with Elvis please come back to me,  I'll be here.

ippy

. Asserting that people are deluded is a positive claim.

[ippy]

. Asserting that people are deluded is a positive claim.

I'm beginning to think think there's some sort of connection between yourself and Hope?

ippy

[Nearly Sane]

I'm beginning to think think there's some sort of connection between yourself and Hope?

ippy

You really struggle to answer when challenged, don't you? Not even an attempt to deal with it, indeed not even a scintilla of understanding about the burden of proof. Just an attempt at deflection.


It's really quite simple. If someone makes a claim e.g. god/flying spaghetti monster/Kevin the leprechaun exists, then they have the burden of proof. Your claim that people are deluded is a positive claim, so provide the evidence.

[Leonard James]

You really struggle to answer when challenged, don't you? Not even an attempt to deal with it, indeed not even a scintilla of understanding about the burden of proof. Just an attempt at deflection.


It's really quite simple. If someone makes a claim e.g. god/flying spaghetti monster/Kevin the leprechaun exists, then they have the burden of proof. Your claim that people are deluded is a positive claim, so provide the evidence.

Pedantry gone mad.