Searching for GOD...

[Gonnagle]

Dear Sane,

He also hangs about outside Babbity's.

He might be outside but God is inside, dispensing his Holy Watter.

Gonnagle.

[Nearly Sane]

And Greggs, I assume.

Sausage rolls - the gateway snack to Hell

[bluehillside Retd.]

NS,

PS Have a look at my latest on the "Music was my first love" thread - that'll cheer you up!

[Shaker]

Sausage rolls - the gateway snack to Hell

Absolutely - before you know it you're standing in a shop doorway in the rain doing up to three beef and onion slices a day.

[bluehillside Retd.]

NS,

Sausage rolls - the gateway snack to Hell

Nah, you're thinking of Ginster's scotch eggs.

[Gordon]

And Greggs, I assume.

Not so much there, but certainly outside William Hill and Ladbrokes (cleverly choosing just the betting shops that I happen to be in the vicinity of, or their websites if I'm at home), along with the various outlets of guitary and motorcycley stuff: he is a busy guy this Satan chap and he is very mobile.

Or perhaps it is just me being me, which seems more likely and also explains why Satan seems as disinterested in fashion and expensive barbers as I am myself: funny that!

[Nearly Sane]

NS,

But what you said was this:

No - it's a "him too" rather than a "you too" (a hunc quoque rather than a tu quoque perhaps) but essentially you're accusing me of pulling up one of them for it but not the other. My response is that which one I pull up distracts from the issue (ie, whether someone can reasonably be called "delusional" on the basis of their posts on an mb) so pursuing that line would be irrelevant to the point under discussion. 

Anyways, are you finding this as sterile now as I am?

Pretty much, but I wasn’t picking you up for not calling ippy delusional, just checking that it was the same sort of comment that you would say could be used as indicating someone was delusional

[Nearly Sane]

NS,

PS Have a look at my latest on the "Music was my first love" thread - that'll cheer you up!

I like that

[bluehillside Retd.]

NS,

I like that

"Like that"? Like that?!?!?!?!?!?

That my friend is a work of towering genius...

[ippy]

Are you quite unhinged? N S & Hope bracketed together?!?

You should be taken out and shot at dawn. Bounder.

They're both into the negative proof in the particular area that N S thought he was pursuing, I've tried to get through to N S, whilst I'm sure he is a very decent chap all I have done is checked to see if I was in fact misusing the word 'delusional' and going by my recent edition of the OED shorter volume, I'm not.

I really can't see what N S is complaining about other than perhaps a point Blue mentioned in one of his posts and if N S took it I was planting nasturtiums upon his character, this didn't even cross my mind, Blue made ref to the clinical type of delusional, again this didn't even cross my mind and I don't think of him in that way.

So again without and until evidence is provided that would support the magical, mystical and superstition based parts of what appears to be his belief, people that believe these religious things, as far as I'm concerned are delusional.

ippy

   

[Nearly Sane]

They're both into the negative proof in the particular area that N S thought he was pursuing, I've tried to get through to N S, whilst I'm sure he is a very decent chap all I have done is checked to see if I was in fact misusing the word 'delusional' and going by my recent edition of the OED shorter volume, I'm not.

I really can't see what N S is complaining about other than perhaps a point Blue mentioned in one of his posts and if N S took it I was planting nasturtiums upon his character, this didn't even cross my mind, Blue made ref to the clinical type of delusional, again this didn't even cross my mind and I don't think of him in that way.

So again without and until evidence is provided that would support the magical, mystical and superstition based parts of what appears to be his belief, people that believe these religious things, as far as I'm concerned are delusional.

ippy

 

You don't understand negative proof, you seem to think I am a theist which is incorrect, and you missed that bluehillside agreed with me that you would have the burden of proof. Keep digging.

[ippy]

You don't understand negative proof, you seem to think I am a theist which is incorrect, and you missed that bluehillside agreed with me that you would have the burden of proof. Keep digging.

I don't need to keep digging N S, whatever it is you believe or not you're coming at me with the same argument that Hope is so well known for on this particular point, call it what ever you like that would be fine by me, you enjoy yourself

Oh yes, I made a point of not classifying you as a religious believer or not, something else you seem to have  missed

I'm sure Blue his his own man, I really don't mind whatever it is he likes to think, my exchange is with you.
 
ippy   

[Gonnagle]

Dear Forum,

http://www.ted.com/talks/julian_treasure_how_to_speak_so_that_people_want_to_listen/transcript?language=en

Why! just because.

Gonnagle.

[Nearly Sane]

I don't need to keep digging N S, whatever it is you believe or not you're coming at me with the same argument that Hope is so well known for on this particular point, call it what ever you like that would be fine by me, you enjoy yourself

Oh yes, I made a point of not classifying you as a religious believer or not, something else you seem to have  missed

I'm sure Blue his his own man, I really don't mind whatever it is he likes to think, my exchange is with you.
 
ippy   

If you weren't classifying me as a theist, how could you think you might be insulting me by referring to theists as delusional?


Since bluehillside agrees with me, then you are saying he too is pursuing what you are classifying as 'negative proof fallacy'


And while we are on it, please explain how asking you to evidence a claim has anything to do with the negative proof fallacy.

[ippy]

If you weren't classifying me as a theist, how could you think you might be insulting me by referring to theists as delusional?


Since bluehillside agrees with me, then you are saying he too is pursuing what you are classifying as 'negative proof fallacy'


And while we are on it, please explain how asking you to evidence a claim has anything to do with the negative proof fallacy.

How about reading wot i actually rit properly and try to come away from semantics?

ippy

[Nearly Sane]

How about reading wot i actually rit properly and try to come away from semantics?

ippy

I did, if you think I am wrong explain why.

And I don't see why you cannot answer the question about negative proof. Claiming that it has already been answered in some way but refusing to state it, now that is like Hope.

[wigginhall]

Interesting point about the psychiatric use of 'delusion', that this often excludes culturally accepted beliefs.   For example, many Maoris practise ancestor worship, so a NZ psychiatrist would probably refuse to say that this is a delusion.  Of course, this is different from the non-psychiatric use, which means, 'contrary to evidence', I guess.  And of course, some religious beliefs could be delusional in the psychiatric sense.

[Alan Burns]

So, Alan, say I choose to gamble on a horse-race what do you think the scenario is? For instance, is a) the opportunity to gamble at all a temptation that is external to me, and b) my choice to gamble an example of my free will?

Or would you have another view of this scenario?

I am not implying that everything which comes into your mind is the devil's temptation.  I think the test is that if what comes into your mind is something you know to be wrong for you at that time, and you are tempted to do it, it is probably from the devil.  And as I said, the decision whether to do it or not is your choice, controlled by the power of free will from your soul.

[Shaker]

I am not implying that everything which comes into your mind is the devil's temptation.  I think the test is that if what comes into your mind is something you know to be wrong for you at that time, and you are tempted to do it, it is probably from the devil.

What if it's wrong for me at one time but not at another time? What if it's wrong for me but not for somebody else, or vice versa?

Is that "probably" the devil or "probably" not Alan?

[wigginhall]

Ah, Alan has taken me back to that blond girl in 1982, I knew she was baaad, and wrong for me, but by gum, that just gave her an extra lustre.  Is that the right word?  Anyway, the devil soon had me in her arms, and we sang together, 'if loving you is wrong, I don't wanna be right'. 

[Nearly Sane]

I am not implying that everything which comes into your mind is the devil's temptation.  I think the test is that if what comes into your mind is something you know to be wrong for you at that time, and you are tempted to do it, it is probably from the devil.  And as I said, the decision whether to do it or not is your choice, controlled by the power of free will from your soul.

So if Fred West had woken up one day and thought I am tempted to stop killing people and burying them in the house and garden, then that would have been the devil?

[wigginhall]

When Alan says 'probably' it doesn't actually mean probably.  It means something like, 'here is something else I just made up, and these bloody atheists use it all the time, so here's hoping'. 

[Nearly Sane]

Ah, Alan has taken me back to that blond girl in 1982, I knew she was baaad, and wrong for me, but by gum, that just gave her an extra lustre.  Is that the right word?  Anyway, the devil soon had me in her arms, and we sang together, 'if loving you is wrong, I don't wanna be right'.

Women, though they are like betting shops, and Greggs, have the devil wandering around and been in thrall ever since the business with the talking snake.

[Shaker]

When Alan says 'probably' it doesn't actually mean probably.  It means something like, 'here is something else I just made up, and these bloody atheists use it all the time, so here's hoping'.

[Alan Burns]

What if it's wrong for me at one time but not at another time? What if it's wrong for me but not for somebody else, or vice versa?

Is that "probably" the devil or "probably" not Alan?

You just need to listen to your own conscience to find out