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[bluehillside Retd.]

Hi Shakes,

For your delectation:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/05/why-wikipedias-grammar-vigilante-is-wrong

Thanks for posting. Actually I'm sympathetic to the view that language changes with usage and that cementing meanings causes it to atrophy. That said, misuse of words with clear meanings decreases effective communication at least until everyone else agrees with the new use, and if you want to persuade others it seems to me to be tactically smarter to bother understanding the terms you use. "Close proximity", "unrealised potential", "new innovation", "revert back", "free gift" etc all do that I think - why add superfluous words when the original does all the work on its own in any case? 

[bluehillside Retd.]

Shakes,

With a crack like that I'm not surprised he folded.

Yeah, and there was me hoping he'd crease up...

[Sassy]

Bloody hell. If you were any dafter than you already are you'd have to be put in a sunny spot and watered twice a week.

Given my other posts, it should have been crystal clear to you, Little weed.

If wit was Sh*t you would be constipated. No wonder you haven't a clue about real suffering... Anyone who lived with you should have a clearer understanding of it.

[Sassy]

That's known as the negative proof fallacy, Alan, and of all the ways that reasoning can go wrong, that one seems to be hammered into the ground more often than any other on this forum.

Well you are not educated enough when it comes to Christianity to apply that  negative proof fallacy when it does not rely on a fallacy in the first instance... does it?

[Sassy]

In other words, how do you know what you know 

He doesn't know anything Alan, he copies it from other websites. I would surprise if he had ever left his home in his life to see what real Christianity is all about.

[floo]

Well you are not educated enough when it comes to Christianity to apply that  negative proof fallacy when it does not rely on a fallacy in the first instance... does it?

And you are educated?

[Sassy]

Not doing well, are you shaker.... Guess the mutual appreciation society between you both consists of just that really.
One atheist and One pagan and none who really know anything about true Christianity. Just what you read up or see on other sites etc. Sad innit...

[Sassy]

Of course there is. Condoms, used properly, are a highly effective form of contraception but (a) there are forces at work - predominantly religious ones - which forbid people making use of them based on religious dogma; (b) they're not always used properly even where they are available; and (c) highly effective does not equal absolutely 100% foolproof in each, all and every situation.

The morning after pill never fails....

As for HIV that is stupid not to wear something if you do not know and cannot trust the partner you are with.

Shaker, if you were being honest you would have agreed there is no reason for getting pregnant. Because those who use do not use condoms for religious reasons do not believe in abortion for religious reasons. Try answering for the sake of the contents of the discussion and not because you are answering me. Intelligence should tell you that discussions which are intelligently poised are about the topic itself and not a personality contest.

That is why your replies cannot be trusted. You do not answer honestly or consistently on the topic at hand. Rather you frame your answers according to the person you are replying. Not a intelligent thing to do. Because it shows you allow prejudice to rule and form your answers rather than knowledge.

[Sassy]

For some reason I don't believe you.

Your ability to reason is obviously poor.
I find it highly  unlikely that you have a high IQ.

Intelligence quotas are manmade and created to give false sense of self intelligence.
Would have thought that every man knows that intelligence is more obvious when it is used to save life rather than destroy it.

Jesus Christ, he saved the world, didn't he? His knowledge of God and man was more affective in healing diseases and raising the dead.  We can only wonder what his IQ would be... but I bet on judgement day the IQ will be of little value for the truly intelligent decisions man makes. Because your IQ is worth nothing if it leads you to death..

Oh, and sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. But atheist resort to it and insult when their IQ fails them and they cannot give an intelligent or wise answer to a Christian...

Wonder if that is to do with mans IQ? LOL.

[Sassy]

AB,

Normally I'd take comments like this at face value, but in this case the contrast between these claims and your inability to apply even the most rudimentary of logic when you try to argue your case suggests strongly that something is - to say the least - amiss.

Take philosophy, in which you claim to have a doctorate. Philosophy is fundamentally built on logic and reason, yet your attempts at either would embarrass a ten-year-old. A few posts ago for example you decided that, as science couldn't yet explain consciousness, it's necessary to look elsewhere for the explanation. This is desperately poor reasoning for the reasons I explained and that - as ever - you have ignored (science does already explain quite a bit about consciousness; when science can't explain something people don't just abandon it, they do more of it to look for an answer; if you want to look elsewhere nonetheless, then you need a method of some kind to test your claims).

How then would it even be possible to obtain a doctorate when - presumably - someone who can argue cogently and coherently - would have marked your thesis? And while we're about it a mark of someone as intellectually capable as you claim to be is that they don't just ignore the rebuttals that don't suit them - rather they engage with the arguments and propose counter-arguments of their own.

Nope, just deal with it. You're possessed of the reasoning ability of a child, you've lighted on an explanatory narrative for the world that makes sense to you even though it flatly contradicts the available evidence and has no supporting evidence of its own, and now you've panicked and gone all porky pie on us in the (vain) hope that an argument from authority will impress us: "Old Alan cannot make an argument of any kind, buy hey - he has a doctorate so he must be right all along then".

Doesn't wash though.

Why not start instead at the beginning; do you even know what "logical fallacy" means?

As the answer appears to be "no", why not just ask - there are people here who will help you you know.     

What a croc.... all from a teenager who has never lived and has no measure of intelligence when it comes to people with high IQ and degrees...

Want some help out of the hole you have dug yourself...

Your post is a logical fallacy....flawed in it's logical structure.
You think because you state what he claims cannot be true that without any real test you can declare it so.
Silly Boy! Go study and ask questions that would prove you right or admit your not capable of testing or knowing if this person is as educated as they claim. Why? Because you are not educated enough to know.

[ippy]

With a crack like that I'm not surprised he folded.

 

ippy

[Sassy]

How do you think the soul thing is panning out?

Anybody 'saved' yet?

You know what they say... "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink" Stubborn mules don't think about the reality of cutting off their nose to spite their faith....

[Rhiannon]

What is it that makes you want to spatter this place with your personal brand of venom, Sass?

[ippy]

What a croc.... all from a teenager who has never lived and has no measure of intelligence when it comes to people with high IQ and degrees...

Want some help out of the hole you have dug yourself...

Your post is a logical fallacy....flawed in it's logical structure.
You think because you state what he claims cannot be true that without any real test you can declare it so.
Silly Boy! Go study and ask questions that would prove you right or admit your not capable of testing or knowing if this person is as educated as they claim. Why? Because you are not educated enough to know.

4 posts Sass nearly an assertion in the last one, you're improving. 

ipp 

[floo]

Intelligence quotas are manmade and created to give false sense of self intelligence.
Would have thought that every man knows that intelligence is more obvious when it is used to save life rather than destroy it.

Jesus Christ, he saved the world, didn't he? His knowledge of God and man was more affective in healing diseases and raising the dead.  We can only wonder what his IQ would be... but I bet on judgement day the IQ will be of little value for the truly intelligent decisions man makes. Because your IQ is worth nothing if it leads you to death..

Oh, and sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. But atheist resort to it and insult when their IQ fails them and they cannot give an intelligent or wise answer to a Christian...

Wonder if that is to do with mans IQ? LOL.

There is no evidence any of that is true, and as it is less than credible more likely than not it isn't!

[Shaker]

Well you are not educated enough when it comes to Christianity to apply that  negative proof fallacy when it does not rely on a fallacy in the first instance... does it?

Like the rest of your attempts at posting here that's almost, but not quite, entirely unlike comprehensible English.

[Shaker]

You know what they say... "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink" Stubborn mules don't think about the reality of cutting off their nose to spite their faith....

You can lead a horticulture but you can't make her think.

[Nearly Sane]

You can lead a horticulture but you can't make her think.

Copyright, Dorothy Parker surely?

[Shaker]

Copyright, Dorothy Parker surely?

Meh. Copyright schmcopyright. Or something like that.

[Rhiannon]

Either way Sass won't get it.

[Shaker]

Either way Sass won't get it.

Sass wouldn't get 'it' if 'it' was delivered in a big white van by Yodel in the form of a large parcel marked 'It.'

© Blackadder.

[Outrider]

You know what they say... "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink" Stubborn mules don't think about the reality of cutting off their nose to spite their faith....

Yeah, but when the guy saying it is trying to sell me an invisible mule to take to the silent stream of magical water than only he can see, it doesn't really matter how many pithy homilies he can deliver, he's still ultimately selling a variant of snake oil.

O.

[wigginhall]

I am on this forum to help save souls.  If I was here for self promotion I would have left long ago.

But can you grasp the idea that some people are profoundly relieved that they gave up Christianity, and some are relieved that they never entertained it?   I was chatting with my wife about this, who went to a Christian boarding school.  Anyway, to cut a long story short, she has sort of recovered from it, but she said what a huge relief it was for her to get away from all that ghastly crime-and-punishment stuff, which evangelicals (and other Christians) push.   A nightmarish world of judgment and punishment and reward, which one might call sadistic.

The premise for your brand of salvation is that souls are otherwise damned.   This is neurotic.

[SusanDoris]

AB

Use of comprisesactive voice, and , and is comprised of, passive voice


Try this for a start:
have as ​parts or ​members, or to be those ​parts or ​members: The ​course comprises a ​class ​book, a ​practice ​book, and a CD. The ​class is comprised ​mainly of ​Italian and ​French ​students. ​Italian ​students comprise 60 ​percent of the ​class.

That's from the English dictionary.














 

 

[Enki]

Yeah, but when the guy saying it is trying to sell me an invisible mule to take to the silent stream of magical water than only he can see, it doesn't really matter how many pithy homilies he can deliver, he's still ultimately selling a variant of snake oil.

O.

It's no use, Outy. She still won't get it. You're just flogging a dead hoss.