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But in this case, it is more than just a gap, it is what constitutes me and you. My conscious awareness is what I am, and science can't explain it with mere labelling.
It's not a question of labelling. There is active research into self identity and the way in which the brain organizes this. For example, some people with strokes can't remember who they are (as also in dementia); some can recognize objects but not faces, and so on. It seems unlikely that there is a single 'identity zone' in the brain, but the interaction of different areas. To call this research mere labelling is a bit insulting. It's thanks to this research that advances are being made in the treatment of various types of brain damage, including dementia, car crash victims, strokes, and so on.
Science has discovered much about how the brain works, but it does not define the difference between reaction and perception.
Amazing that anybody still deploys the god-of-the-gaps fallacy these days given science's long and, to say the least, rather successful track record of filling said gaps with knowledge and naturalistic explanations. But I suppose so long as gaps exist (i.e. as long as there's still the human endeavour of science) some people will keep trying to crowbar a god into the blank bits.
It is truly amazing what the intelligently driven free thought processes of the human soul have discovered and brought into conscious human awareness.
Science shows how our sense organs transfer signals to separate areas of the brain. It does not show how all these signals all get perceived into a single entity of conscious awareness. All science can point to is molecular activity generated by lots of individual brain cells. Reaction does not imply perception.
Even if Alan had a scientific explanation that satisfied him, he can still bump his god on the end of that. Forever chasing his tail.
Dear Leonard, Blue, Jeremyp, Profdavey, Outrider, Shaker, Sane, Gordon, Andy, jj, Seb Toe, Berational, and any other atheist who has debated on this very long wonderful thread,You are all religious nutters debating with another religious nutter!!Gonnagle.
Hooray and hallelujah! I so wish that were the end of this 'very long and wonderful' thread, because it is a complete waste of time and effort!
Certainly a waste of time and effort if the aim was/is to explain to Alan how and why almost everything he comes out with is either a bald assertion or a logical fallacy of some sort, I agree. On the other hand, there has been some stellar writing here - beautifully written posts by some excellent posters and I wouldn't have missed any of that for the world.
..failed then?
Yes, I agree ... but all to no avail!
As I expected, you have answered an entirely different question from the one posed. I'll try once more: If you had been born into a Moslem community, of deeply religious Moslem parents, do you realise and accept that your own religion would have been the same as theirs?
Depends what you are trying to achieve. I've no interest in talking anyone out of their beliefs; the important thing is the sharing of knowledge and ideas. That is never a waste of time.
