Searching for GOD...

[Sebastian Toe]

I wonder if this thread will ever get back on Topic!

Not when its been a wafer so long!

[Nearly Sane]

The big G,
Well not if you continue to write posts about not wanting to be a fellow club member with dear Vlad.

I think you may be missing the reference

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob's_Club

[OH MY WORLD!]

How can you belong to a cookie Gordon? So how was your word playing, on topic?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Not when its been a wafer so long!

Apparently there has been a power cut in Istanbul. Residents there are experiencing a Turkish De-light.

[OH MY WORLD!]

To hell with your cookies, I was serious about being fellow club members and starting a band. (smilies)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTmhw-yOcZM

[Alan Burns]

It is almost as if Alan is desperate to convince himself his faith is real!

I don't need any convincing.  God has already done it.

[Shaker]

I don't need any convincing.  God has already done it.

How would you know if it wasn't? (That's also a splendid example of question begging, by the way).

[Alan Burns]

How would you know if it wasn't? (That's also a splendid example of question begging, by the way).

Yet another label applied to my posts.  I must have a full set of them by now.

[Leonard James]

I don't need any convincing.  God has already done it.

No, Alan, you are the one that's done it. You have convinced yourself that something is real without any evidence that it is.

[Sebastian Toe]

Yet another label applied to my posts.  I must have a full set of them by now.

Not quite, there are several missing;

credible
believable
logical
fallacy free

 

[Leonard James]

Not quite, there are several missing;

incredible
unbelievable
illogical
fallacy full

 

Corrected that for you , Seb.

[Sebastian Toe]

Corrected that for you , Seb.

he already has those, it's the others are missing and are likely to remain so!

[Leonard James]

he already has those, it's the others are missing and are likely to remain so!

Yes, indeed! 

[Brownie]

Is this a 'pick on Alan' day?

[SweetPea]

I don't need any convincing.  God has already done it.

Yes.... in that quiet way.

[Leonard James]

Is this a 'pick on Alan' day?

He knows we luv 'im really, but he does come out with the most outrageous assertions!

[SweetPea]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4Ao-iNPPUc

Johnny, this is excellent! You should post it on the music thread.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Brownie,

Is this a 'pick on Alan' day?

No, it's pick on Alan's very bad arguments day - a different thing entirely.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Brownie,

No, it's pick on Alan's very bad arguments day - a different thing entirely.

What about your arguments? They are like a handful of Maltesers and resemble a polished turd.

[Alan Burns]

Brownie,

No, it's pick on Alan's very bad arguments day - a different thing entirely.

I assume my arguments are labelled as bad because they do not conform to the man made rules of methodology, which may well be suitable for finding out how things work, but are totally incapable of discovering the true source of things, or reasons for our existence.  Ultimately it can only define our existence in a continuum of deterministic material reactions with no real purpose.  This cold methodology with which I am being asked to use to prove God's existence is totally incapable of discovering God. 

[Shaker]

I assume my arguments are labelled as bad because they do not conform to the man made rules of methodology, which may well be suitable for finding out how things work, but are totally incapable of discovering the true source of things, or reasons for our existence.

What methodology are you employing to be able to decide that such things are "true"?

[SusanDoris]

I assume my arguments are labelled as bad because they do not conform to the man made rules of methodology, which may well be suitable for finding out how things work, but are totally incapable of discovering the true source of things, or reasons for our existence.  Ultimately it can only define our existence in a continuum of deterministic material reactions with no real purpose.  This cold methodology with which I am being asked to use to prove God's existence is totally incapable of discovering God.

Seems quite straightforward and simple to me - of course no method is capable of discovering God because there is no God to discover.

Did you see my question about prayer? I hope you will have a go at responding to it.

[bluehillside Retd.]

AB,

I assume my arguments are labelled as bad...

They're not just "labelled" as bad - they are bad.

...because they do not conform to the man made rules of methodology

No, it's because they are logically false. Nothing more, nothing less.

...which may well be suitable for finding out how things work, but are totally incapable of discovering the true source of things, or reasons for our existence.

You may think that even logically sound reasoning is "totally incapable" of discovering these things (even assuming for now that these questions are meaningful at all) but that gives you two problems:

1. Why then bother with logically false arguments to support your position?

2. Other than your personal assertions, what method would you propose instead to answer these questions?
 

Ultimately it can only define our existence in a continuum of deterministic material reactions with no real purpose.  This cold methodology with which I am being asked to use to prove God's existence is totally incapable of discovering God.

Fine. Then finally propose a different method. 

[Alan Burns]

AB

Fairly recently well I think it was, I put in a post about prayer. I'm rattling about a bit this afternoon, so I think I'll post it again and see if you, AB, have a response:

When you say a prayer, I presume you think  there is a God which hears it; said God then decides what to do about the prayer, or, as is the case as far as I'm concerned, said God does absolutely nothing; the prayer is then supposed to affect the person or persons about whom it was prayed; how do you think/suggest/work out how this happens?

I do not know how God answers prayers, but looking back on my life, and the lives of those I have prayed for, I can see wonderful answers to every prayer.

[Shaker]

I do not know how God answers prayers, but looking back on my life, and the lives of those I have prayed for, I can see wonderful answers to every prayer.

Every?

That's not what you've said before.