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Shaker

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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11450 on: March 19, 2016, 06:53:22 PM »
Why is existence dependent upon a creator of the conscious personalistic entity you purport to believe in?

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Who are we to cast judgement on our creator?
Any reason why not?

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Would you rather have had no existence?
Yes. It would have been far more peaceful.
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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11451 on: March 19, 2016, 06:57:53 PM »
Quote from: Alan Burns on March 19, 2016, 06:45:52 PM
You should know that the bible tells us that we need faith to allow God to intervene.  Jesus said that he could work no miracles in one place because the people lacked faith.  This implies that Jesus wanted to work miracles, but people's lack of faith prevented Him.

His miracle working was a bit pants then, wasn't it? Thank goodness doctors just need medical science.
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Étienne d'Angleterre

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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11452 on: March 19, 2016, 06:58:55 PM »
Quote from: Alan Burns on March 19, 2016, 06:50:53 PM
Who are we to cast judgement on our creator?

Would you rather have had no existence?

I am.

If I were to stand by and watch people die of disease and disaster when I could have prevented it then I would be guilty.

The last line could equally be used by slave owners to their slaves.



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Shaker

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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11453 on: March 19, 2016, 06:59:27 PM »
Quote from: Alan Burns on March 19, 2016, 06:45:52 PM
You should know that the bible tells us that we need faith to allow God to intervene.
Why?
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Étienne d'Angleterre

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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11454 on: March 19, 2016, 07:00:27 PM »
Quote from: Shaker on March 19, 2016, 06:59:27 PM
Why?

Because he is on a huge ego trip?
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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11455 on: March 19, 2016, 07:01:26 PM »
Quote from: Stephen Taylor on March 19, 2016, 07:00:27 PM
Because he is on a huge ego trip?
Seems that way.
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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11456 on: March 19, 2016, 07:01:39 PM »
Quote from: Shaker on March 19, 2016, 06:53:22 PM
Why is existence dependent upon a creator of the conscious personalistic entity you purport to believe in?
Because perception of existence does not come from a Big Bang.
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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11457 on: March 19, 2016, 07:02:10 PM »
Quote from: Alan Burns on March 19, 2016, 07:01:39 PM
Because perception of existence does not come from a Big Bang.
Why not?
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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11458 on: March 19, 2016, 07:02:33 PM »
Quote from: Stephen Taylor on March 19, 2016, 06:58:55 PM
The last line could equally be by slave owners to their slaves.

Actually this idea of 'would you rather have had no existence' is often trotted out by abusive parents to justify their behaviour - 'without us you wouldn't exist'.
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Étienne d'Angleterre

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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11459 on: March 19, 2016, 07:02:53 PM »
Quote from: Alan Burns on March 19, 2016, 06:50:53 PM
Who are we to cast judgement on our creator?

Would you rather have had no existence?

I'm sorry bit this really is nasty stuff.

Why don't you grow a pair, get off your knees and have some self respect!

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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11460 on: March 19, 2016, 07:05:27 PM »
Quote from: Shaker on March 19, 2016, 06:53:22 PM
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Would you rather have had no existence?
Yes. It would have been far more peaceful.
But you would not be able to perceive that peace
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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11461 on: March 19, 2016, 07:06:32 PM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on March 19, 2016, 07:02:33 PM
Actually this idea of 'would you rather have had no existence' is often trotted out by abusive parents to justify their behaviour - 'without us you wouldn't exist'.
Also often used by omnivores against vegetarians - "better to exist and be tortured, tormented and abused and killed horribly than not exist at all."

New one on me, but whatever.
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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11462 on: March 19, 2016, 07:07:09 PM »
Quote from: Stephen Taylor on March 19, 2016, 07:02:53 PM
I'm sorry bit this really is nasty stuff.

Why don't you grow a pair, get off your knees and have some self respect!
I have respect for myself and God
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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11463 on: March 19, 2016, 07:07:20 PM »
Quote from: Alan Burns on March 19, 2016, 07:05:27 PM
Yes. It would have been far more peaceful.

But you would not be able to perceive that peace
Non-perception of peace is peace.
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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11464 on: March 19, 2016, 07:08:56 PM »
Quote from: Alan Burns on March 19, 2016, 07:05:27 PM
Yes. It would have been far more peaceful.

But you would not be able to perceive that peace

So? You really aren't grasping this, are you?

I'm with Stephen. I'll also add though that you could not only grow a pair but lose some of the smug gittery along the way.
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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11465 on: March 19, 2016, 07:10:09 PM »
Quote from: Alan Burns on March 19, 2016, 07:07:09 PM
I have respect for myself and God

That's debatable.

But whatever, I'm not seeing too much of it for others. Least of all non- Christians.
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Étienne d'Angleterre

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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11466 on: March 19, 2016, 07:10:37 PM »
Quote from: Alan Burns on March 19, 2016, 07:07:09 PM
I have respect for myself and God

Doesn't sound like it to me. anyway what about a proper answer to my previous message about me being guilty if I just stood by.
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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11467 on: March 19, 2016, 07:12:01 PM »
Quote from: Shaker on March 19, 2016, 07:07:20 PM
Non-perception of peace is peace.
I think you have lost it.
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Truth is not an abstraction, but a person - Edith Stein
Free will, though it makes evil possible, is also the only thing that makes possible any love or goodness or joy worth having. - CS Lewis
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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11468 on: March 19, 2016, 07:14:02 PM »
Quote from: Alan Burns on March 19, 2016, 07:12:01 PM
I think you have lost it.
I think you have limited comprehension of English and no sense of irony.
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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11469 on: March 19, 2016, 07:16:13 PM »
Quote from: Alan Burns on March 19, 2016, 07:12:01 PM
I think you have lost it.

The best thing about an afterlife being highly unlikely is that peaceful oblivion is infinitely preferable to an eternity spent in the company of your ilk and your God.
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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11470 on: March 19, 2016, 07:20:18 PM »
It depersonalises people when they are described as an " ilk" .
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Rhiannon

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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11471 on: March 19, 2016, 07:22:39 PM »
Really?

You'd have preferred me to make it personal?
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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11472 on: March 19, 2016, 07:24:58 PM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on March 19, 2016, 07:16:13 PM
The best thing about an afterlife being highly unlikely is that peaceful oblivion is infinitely preferable to an eternity spent in the company of your ilk and your God.

Brilliant Rhi.

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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11473 on: March 19, 2016, 07:26:32 PM »
would it be so difficult just to accept Alan believes in something different?

It doesn't matter what someone believes or doesn't believe, someone somewhere always thinks they have it wrong and won't end up in heaven.

I don't think Alan has been talking about where you are going after death has he?

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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11474 on: March 19, 2016, 07:34:55 PM »
What makes you think I don't accept it?
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