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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11600 on: March 22, 2016, 05:34:09 PM »
The bible tells us that we are made in God's image.  Which I would assume infers that God has given us the power to interact, rather than just react with the events in this universe.

Of course we interact with events - makes no difference to the logic, though.

Look - we have to decide things somehow and if it's a free choice it should be determined by who we are as individuals. There simply aren't any another other inputs to the process of making us than our initial state and subsequent experience.

Of course our subsequent experience is also determined by our previous decisions (interaction) but that is a detail - because however far we go back this god would have controlled everything up to that point and hence our decisions at every stage.

This is just logic - you can't just magic a decision into existence from nothing (unless there is a source of true randomness involved, in which case it certainly isn't our individual will).
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« Reply #11601 on: March 22, 2016, 05:34:54 PM »
Hey cartoon man, don't drag Vlad into this.

Just for you and you're welcome.

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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11602 on: March 22, 2016, 05:39:03 PM »
Hey cartoon man, don't drag Vlad into this.

Just for you and you're welcome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3s82jgoMUw

Woody you and Vlad would be at about the same level on the Richter scale, Woody, Vlad, Vlad Woody? 

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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11603 on: March 22, 2016, 05:45:29 PM »
Faith is the most precious gift that anyone can possess.
What a dismal and circumscribed view of life.

The love of family and friends (both ways) seems the greatest gift in life to me, but whatever roasts your spuds I guess ::)
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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11604 on: March 22, 2016, 05:49:13 PM »
Cartoon man,
Yes and the wonderful thing is that we are noted by the richter scale. You, well there is nothing, nothing worth reporting nor seeing.

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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11605 on: March 22, 2016, 06:29:08 PM »
What a dismal and circumscribed view of life.

The love of family and friends (both ways) seems the greatest gift in life to me, but whatever roasts your spuds I guess ::)

What about the admiration of the posters on this forum shakes?

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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11606 on: March 22, 2016, 06:38:27 PM »
One should never presume, ipples  ;)
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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11607 on: March 22, 2016, 06:44:39 PM »
One should never presume, ipples  ;)

Two can presume then?

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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11608 on: March 22, 2016, 07:20:15 PM »
Faith is the most precious gift that anyone can possess.

You mean like this :-

"We will conquer your Rome, break you crosses, and enslave your women. If we do not reach that time, then our children and grandchildren will reach it."   Abu Mohammad al-Adnani

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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11609 on: March 22, 2016, 07:35:22 PM »
and the next line is:

"I thank the Lord that I possess more than my share of happiness"

So, you seem to be in disagreement with yourself then. Which is it, faith or happiness? After all, I can have happiness without faith and I can have faith without happiness. ;)
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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11610 on: March 22, 2016, 08:22:25 PM »
and the next line is:

"I thank the Lord that I possess more than my share of happiness"

That's Jack Lord. Ken Dodd is a fan of Hawaii 50
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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11611 on: March 22, 2016, 08:27:11 PM »
Faith is the most precious gift that anyone can possess.

Not according to your Bible. I'm surprised you are not familiar with this one:

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And now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; and the greatest of these is love.

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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11612 on: March 22, 2016, 08:38:31 PM »
And yet Alan prizes faith over love. I wonder why?

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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11613 on: March 22, 2016, 08:48:19 PM »
And yet Alan prizes faith over love. I wonder why?
Possibly because that paragon of consistency, the New Testament, elsewhere praises those as blessed who believe without seeing.
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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11614 on: March 22, 2016, 09:22:12 PM »
You mean like this :-

"We will conquer your Rome, break you crosses, and enslave your women. If we do not reach that time, then our children and grandchildren will reach it."   Abu Mohammad al-Adnani
Many people throughout history have pursued evil goals under the banner of religion.  Anyone who has the joy of experiencing the true love of God through Jesus will have no need for such actions.
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Truth is not an abstraction, but a person - Edith Stein
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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11615 on: March 22, 2016, 09:29:32 PM »
Many people throughout history have pursued evil goals under the banner of religion.  Anyone who has the joy of experiencing the true love of God through Jesus will have no need for such actions.
So all those Popes who supported killing people in that case, that was the Satan in charge of the RC church.

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« Reply #11616 on: March 22, 2016, 09:31:57 PM »
Many people throughout history have pursued evil goals under the banner of religion.  Anyone who has the joy of experiencing the true love of God through Jesus will have no need for such actions.
There's a name for that particular fallacy, Alan ...
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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11617 on: March 22, 2016, 09:34:15 PM »
Not according to your Bible. I'm surprised you are not familiar with this one:
Faith is precious because it is the key to unlock the greatest gift - Love.
The truth will set you free  - John 8:32
Truth is not an abstraction, but a person - Edith Stein
Free will, though it makes evil possible, is also the only thing that makes possible any love or goodness or joy worth having. - CS Lewis
Joy is the Gigantic Secret of Christians - GK Chesterton

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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11618 on: March 22, 2016, 09:41:55 PM »
Faith is precious because it is the key to unlock the greatest gift - Love.
People without faith can't love, then?
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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11619 on: March 22, 2016, 10:03:24 PM »
Faith is precious because it is the key to unlock the greatest gift - Love.

Oh the arrogance of it, Alan.

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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11620 on: March 22, 2016, 10:09:35 PM »
Not merely arrogant - let's see if he'll provide a straight answer to my question.
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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11621 on: March 22, 2016, 10:21:55 PM »
People without faith can't love, then?
They can't discover God's love - the greatest and most perfect love of all.
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Truth is not an abstraction, but a person - Edith Stein
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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11622 on: March 22, 2016, 10:25:56 PM »
They can't discover God's love - the greatest and most perfect love of all.
Most people seem to do not just fine but exceptionally well without any such thing (which is, needless to say, pure assertion of belief on your part). Love of real people, real things suits me perfectly well.
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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11623 on: March 22, 2016, 10:39:27 PM »
They can't discover God's love - the greatest and most perfect love of all.
so unable, not choosing not to? Which given the powers you inconsistently attribute to your God means, it is his choice nothing to do with your invalidated free willl idea.  It's a pity that you appear to be unable to express your position logically consistenly.

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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #11624 on: March 22, 2016, 11:15:35 PM »
They can't discover God's love - the greatest and most perfect love of all.

That's ducking the question.