Searching for GOD...

[bluehillside Retd.]

Fallacy Boy,

Er, I think i'll leave that sort of thing to you and the Posse, Thank you.

And when the fallacies run out, the lying takes over.

Oh well.

[Alan Burns]

AB,

To the contrary. Evidence for “God” would be a remarkable and astonishing and fscintaing thing. Your problem though – and that of the authors you refer to – is that there isn’t any.

If you think otherwise, then why not tell us what it is?

Words fail me 

[Shaker]

Words fail me 

Hm. We'd noticed.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

AB,

To the contrary. Evidence for “God” would be a remarkable and astonishing and fscintaing thing. Your problem though – and that of the authors you refer to – is that there isn’t any.

If you think otherwise, then why not tell us what it is?

Well the ideas of ''perfect'' or even just ''better'' are a bit of a give away.......Vlad cups ear to hear Hillside cursing writhing in apoplexy. Is that a motor boat with an ancient spluttery engine? No it's the Posse blowing hot and cold.

[Shaker]

A giveaway to or of what?

[floo]

Words fail me 

BS asked a reasonable question. You have never given us any verifiable evidence, only your own personal speculation.

[bluehillside Retd.]

AB,

Words fail me 

Which presumably is why you've never managed to arrange some of them into cogent logic or evidence.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Fallacy Boy,

Well the ideas of ''perfect'' or even just ''better'' are a bit of a give away.......Vlad cups ear to hear Hillside cursing writhing in apoplexy. Is that a motor boat with an ancient spluttery engine? No it's the Posse blowing hot and cold.

So now all you have to do is to find someone who actually used those words so your straw man can pack up and go home.

Good luck with it though.

[Shaker]

AB,

Which presumably is why you've never managed to arrange some of them into cogent logic or evidence.

Ow 

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Fallacy Boy,

So now all you have to do is to find someone who actually used those words..........

Of course I just made them up.          Ha Ha Ha

[bluehillside Retd.]

Fallacy Boy,

Of course I just made them up.          Ha Ha Ha

I know you did - it's probably your favourite fallacy, the straw man.

You actually seem to be quite proud when you're caught using it too, which I find frankly odd. 

[Alan Burns]

I was privileged to read these words at today's Mass:
Isaiah 55 10:11
Thus says the Lord: ‘As the rain and the snow come down from the heavens and do not return without watering the earth, making it yield and giving growth to provide seed for the sower and bread for the eating, so the word that goes from my mouth does not return to me empty, without carrying out my will and succeeding in what it was sent to do.’

Words are so important and powerful.  How could anyone imagine that the words of scripture are just an inevitable product of deterministic cause and effect in material elements?  Is every word that was ever written just an uncontrolled consequence of natural unguided events?  Are not words the reflection of what is in the human soul?

[Sassy]

I feel a Balls-Up Burns fallacy coming on ... yet again 

I do not believe that to be a correct statement.
One could easily say that we could feel a "Shaker deterrent coming on because he has no answer to what Alan has said!"

[torridon]

Words are so important and powerful.  How could anyone imagine that the words of scripture are just an inevitable product of deterministic cause and effect in material elements?  Is every word that was ever written just an uncontrolled consequence of natural unguided events?  Are not words the reflection of what is in the human soul?

I doubt that, given that we have no evidence for souls, human or otherwise. A more measured observation with due respect to evidence and reason would be that words are a reflection of what is in a human mind. Words are a form of communication and all creatures and indeed many plants communicate, it is the interconnectedness of all things manifesting at the level of biological systems.  Humans have developed a greater range of vocalisations than other animals and we have developed correspondingly more nuanced first verbal, and then written, communication.  It doesn't mean we are supernatural, just more developed in that regard.

[Shaker]

I do not believe that to be a correct statement.

That's because you're about as up to speed with what a logical fallacy is as he is. Which is to say, not at all.

[Maeght]

I was privileged to read these words at today's Mass:
Isaiah 55 10:11
Thus says the Lord: ‘As the rain and the snow come down from the heavens and do not return without watering the earth, making it yield and giving growth to provide seed for the sower and bread for the eating, so the word that goes from my mouth does not return to me empty, without carrying out my will and succeeding in what it was sent to do.’

Words are so important and powerful.  How could anyone imagine that the words of scripture are just an inevitable product of deterministic cause and effect in material elements?  Is every word that was ever written just an uncontrolled consequence of natural unguided events?  Are not words the reflection of what is in the human soul?

How does the human soul decide what words to but into the human brain?

[Alan Burns]

How does the human soul decide what words to but into the human brain?

You have it the wrong way round.

Words in themselves are meaningless - just sounds or symbols.  They are used to represent the meanings which our human soul perceives from our sensory data.  Animals react to sensory data, but humans can perceive meaning, and words are used to represent the meaning as perceived by the human soul.

So we use words to describe what our soul perceives.

[Alan Burns]

I doubt that, given that we have no evidence for souls, human or otherwise. A more measured observation with due respect to evidence and reason would be that words are a reflection of what is in a human mind. Words are a form of communication and all creatures and indeed many plants communicate, it is the interconnectedness of all things manifesting at the level of biological systems.  Humans have developed a greater range of vocalisations than other animals and we have developed correspondingly more nuanced first verbal, and then written, communication.  It doesn't mean we are supernatural, just more developed in that regard.

once again you seen to be confusing external reactions with inner perception.  See my reply to Maeght above

[Maeght]

You have it the wrong way round.

Words in themselves are meaningless - just sounds or symbols.  They are used to represent the meanings which our human soul perceives from our sensory data.  Animals react to sensory data, but humans can perceive meaning, and words are used to represent the meaning perceived within the human soul.

So we use words to describe what our soul perceives.

How is that anything different from what I said?

If we use words to represent what our soul perceives then the soul must communicate that to the brain mustn't it?

How does the soul interpret what it perceives and decide what words to use ?

[Maeght]

once again you seen to be confusing external reactions with inner perception.  See my reply to Maeght above

It won't help much.

[floo]

You have it the wrong way round.

Words in themselves are meaningless - just sounds or symbols.  They are used to represent the meanings which our human soul perceives from our sensory data.  Animals react to sensory data, but humans can perceive meaning, and words are used to represent the meaning as perceived by the human soul.

So we use words to describe what our soul perceives.

Sorry AB but that makes no sense at all.

[Alan Burns]

How is that anything different from what I said?

If we use words to represent what our soul perceives then the soul must communicate that to the brain mustn't it?

How does the soul interpret what it perceives and decide what words to use ?

Meaning exists in our conscious awareness, and we use words to describe whatever is currently being experienced in our consciousness.  Our conscious awareness may well be dominated by whatever our physical senses currently detect, but our human soul also has the power to bring to mind something we wish into our conscious awareness.

[Maeght]

Meaning exists in our conscious awareness, and we use words to describe whatever is currently being experienced in our consciousness.  Our conscious awareness may well be dominated by whatever our physical senses currently detect, but our human soul also has the power to bring to mind something we wish into our conscious awareness.

And how does the soul decide what to bring into ourconscious awareness?

[bluehillside Retd.]

AB,

You have it the wrong way round.

Let’s see shall we?

Words in themselves are meaningless - just sounds or symbols.

OK so far – a word in Cantonese for example is indeed meaningless to me.

They are used to represent the meanings which our human soul perceives from our sensory data.

Oh dear. You just introduced again your private conjecture “soul” for which you have no evidence of any kind.
 

Animals react to sensory data, but humans can perceive meaning, and words are used to represent the meaning as perceived by the human soul.

Again with the “soul” error, and again you fail to grasp that we are animals, albeit animals with more complex cognitive functions than others. It seems to be really important to you arbitrarily to create a separate category entirely for Homo sapiens, presumably because you can then attach “soul” to it and deny it to the rest. Absent any evidence to support the contention though, that's just "not even wrong" thinking.
   

So we use words to describe what our soul perceives.

So we play instruments to commune with the pixies.

See, that’s the thing. When you just make up something with neither cogent logic nor evidence of any kind to support it and then assert it as fact, you leave the more rational with no choice but to conclude that you’re almost certainly flat wrong.

If ever though you do feel like producing some of the evidence you claim to be there but never quite manage to get around to sharing here, then – but only then – will you have something to say that’s worth considering.

As you seem to want people not to dismiss your superstitions out of hand, why wouldn’t you do that?

[bluehillside Retd.]

AB,

Meaning exists in our conscious awareness, and we use words to describe whatever is currently being experienced in our consciousness.  Our conscious awareness may well be dominated by whatever our physical senses currently detect, but our human soul also has the power to bring to mind something we wish into our conscious awareness.

Translation: "It's magic innit".