Searching for GOD...

[Shaker]

Searching for God is seeking the truth

I wonder if Vladdychops will be badgering you for the evidence for that positive assertion?[/tumbleweed]

[ekim]

Today our church celebrates the life of saint Maximilian Kolbe
He was a Polish Franciscan friar, who volunteered to die in place of a stranger in the German death camp of Auschwitz, and was slowly starved to death.
Here are two of his quotes:

No one in the world can change Truth. What we can do and should do is to seek truth and to serve it when we have found it.

The most deadly poison of our time is indifference.

Unless the truth is indifferent, perhaps.

[Maeght]

Searching for God is seeking the truth

Seeking the truth is different from searchinng for God.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Shakes,

Vlad and "Crashes and" as a tag team ... that can only mean one thing - an -ism frenzy.

Onanism mostly.

[Shaker]

Good lad 

[floo]

Searching for God is seeking the truth

Searching for a god which in all probability doesn't exist.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Once again God's promises are being ignored...

In which ol' Fallacy Boy gives us the mother of reification fallacies.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Unless the truth is indifferent, perhaps.

Facts are indifferent. That's why a universe of facts is a cosy,safe place, which is why the fearful are on here rabidly defending it. However, the amassing of facts ignores philosophy making those defenders more Geek than greek.

[Shaker]

Facts are indifferent. That's why a universe of facts is a cosy,safe place, which is why the fearful are on here rabidly defending it. However, the amassing of facts ignores philosophy making those defenders more Geek than greek.

Who is fearful? Of what? How do you know?

[Rhiannon]

Shakes,

Onanism mostly.

 

[Nearly Sane]

There was an excellent  (audio)  book I read  a few years ago, can't remember name of author, which was giving evidence for Socrates by way of the space he left. That is good enough for me. I think that evidence that he was fictional would have turned up by now. It will, however, not makea huge difference to the world today, since belief in his existence has notcaused any world-wide religions and their associated disasters. On the other hand any fact that turns up a bout God/god/s certainly would!! :

That appears to be argumentum ad consequentiam

[ekim]

Seeking the truth is different from searchinng for God.

Some say that 'God' is 'Truth' i.e. absolute truth as opposed to relative truth.

[bluehillside Retd.]

NS,

That appears to be argumentum ad consequentiam

As was CS Lewis's argument (as well as being an argument from incredulity) that AB posted.

[Alan Burns]

Seeking the truth is different from searching for God.

Not in the context of Maximilian's quote

[Nearly Sane]

NS,

As was CS Lewis's argument (as well as being an argument from incredulity) that AB posted.

And that appears to be some whataboutery.

[Rhiannon]

Facts are indifferent. That's why a universe of facts is a cosy,safe place, which is why the fearful are on here rabidly defending it. However, the amassing of facts ignores philosophy making those defenders more Geek than greek.

You really don't get it, do you? A universe that just has facts isn't cosy at all - in fact many find the notion of such a life to be without meaning. Hence so many need to consolation of faith in order to feel safe and looked after, and that death isn't the end. Actually in a fact-based universe it is up to the individual to bring meaning to the party and to reconcile to loss and suffering and not being able to find a parking space. It's personal responsibility rather than expecting someone (or something) else to pick up the pieces for you and to give your life purpose for you.

[Nearly Sane]

Not in the context of Maximilian's quote

which therefore means Maxi-baby managed a reification fallacy and begging the question. Are you related?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Shakes,

Onanism mostly.

Careful Blue, You'll promote J-ism amongst the antitheists  Ha Ha Ha............and with that blinding retort Vlad renders Blue's attempts at humour a cause for sadness.

[Rhiannon]

Rhiannon

I think it shapes God in so much as I think there are lots of different attributes that serve to illustrate motivations in people for different circumstances and personalities that I think it helps to be aware of - I think some people relate to some attributes better than others. I think there is a recurring theme of having faith and a sense of gratitude and a sense of humility.

But I also there is a lack of detail and there are a collection of stories and metaphors that illustrate certain ideas and I think religion has been developed from the messages in the book whereby people have tried to flesh out what they think God wants.

I interpret the ideas in the book and take into account what other people have said to construct some values to live by, which I hope are not bad - in the moral sense of "bad". But it's guessing as my perception of every situation I find myself in has not been played out and described in the book or other people's interpretations. So there are conflicting possibilities for me to choose from when deciding my approach or response to a situation.

Edited to take out the word "should" in the 2nd line as that sounds like preaching rather than people having the freedom to decide fo rthemsleves

Thanks for this. Yes, it makes sense to me, it's how I used to be pretty much when I was a Christian. I don't think anyone can get away from God being made in our own image to some extent.

I think all of us are just guessing when it comes to morality and trying to live a life of least harm. We are ridiculous creatures.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

You really don't get it, do you? A universe that just has facts isn't cosy at all - in fact many find the notion of such a life to be without meaning. Hence so many need to consolation of faith in order to feel safe and looked after, and that death isn't the end. Actually in a fact-based universe it is up to the individual to bring meaning to the party and to reconcile to loss and suffering and not being able to find a parking space. It's personal responsibility rather than expecting someone (or something) else to pick up the pieces for you and to give your life purpose for you.

I think you don't get it. I'm against the cosy world of just facts even though the accumulation of general knowledge is an ecstatic experience since you stop thinking about yourself.

I would challenge Ippy and Hillside to a quiz anytime, in other words what facts do they have that I don't or couldn't have?

Bringing meaning to the party? Now this is a platitude I often hear from atheists but it is never discussed in terms of it's process or achievement. I would start a thread but atheists around here seem to prefer the inquisitorial position and rarely answer questions which seek justification of their urban myths and platitudes.

[Shaker]

I would challenge Ippy and Hillside to a quiz anytime, in other words what facts do they have that I don't or couldn't have?

Erm ... most of them?

[bluehillside Retd.]

NS,

And that appears to be some whataboutery.

No - I wasn't commenting on the example you cited, just mentioning another example of it. CS Lewis seems to me to be remarkably easy to unpick despite his reputation. 

[Nearly Sane]

NS,

No - I wasn't commenting on the example you cited, just mentioning another example of it. CS Lewis seems to me to be remarkably easy to unpick despite his reputation.

Which again just seems to be whataboutery. Why mention another example of it?

[bluehillside Retd.]

Vlad,

...and with that blinding retort...

They do say it'll send you blind – seems the were right.

[Rhiannon]

I think you don't get it. I'm against the cosy world of just facts even though the accumulation of general knowledge is an ecstatic experience since you stop thinking about yourself.

I would challenge Ippy and Hillside to a quiz anytime, in other words what facts do they have that I don't or couldn't have?

Bringing meaning to the party? Now this is a platitude I often hear from atheists but it is never discussed in terms of it's process or achievement. I would start a thread but atheists around here seem to prefer the inquisitorial position and rarely answer questions which seek justification of their urban myths and platitudes.

Start a thread. It could be interesting if you respect it enough not to troll it into oblivion.