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Re: Searching for GOD...
« Reply #21750 on: September 01, 2017, 08:00:38 PM »
I can offer no better authority than the Word of God
pity it was entirely irrelevant to the post you were replying to. Your god must be a bit of a shite reader.

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« Reply #21751 on: September 01, 2017, 08:01:51 PM »
I can offer no better authority than the Word of God
Which isn't one.
Pain, or damage, don't end the world. Or despair, or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man, and give some back. - Al Swearengen, Deadwood.

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« Reply #21752 on: September 01, 2017, 08:12:24 PM »
I can offer no better authority than the Word of God

Then you offer nothing of note.

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« Reply #21753 on: September 01, 2017, 08:22:01 PM »
Alan, I can't see where you have answered my point. Can you explain please or have another try?

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« Reply #21754 on: September 02, 2017, 12:08:25 AM »
I can offer no better authority than the Word of God

What a Wally, it's stupid post and you've not even got the common decencey to answer those asking questions of you.

Truth is you haven't got an answer and you can't face up to the truth of this fact.

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« Reply #21755 on: September 02, 2017, 08:50:08 AM »
This thread gets about a thousand views per day, so I would hope that some of these viewers can see the shallow arguments of non believers which reduce human beings to mere biological machines driven entirely by the uncontrollable forces of nature.
and you  have posted up lengthy rich arguments here ? I must have missed those, all we seem to get from you is repeated bland assertion and incredulity.  Here's how it goes; you post up your beliefs; they in turn get picked apart demonstrating how they are untenable in the face of evidence and reason.  You need to be making strong positive arguments for your case not just asserting it and ignoring responses, this is the strategy of someone indifferent to truth and unwilling to engage.

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« Reply #21756 on: September 02, 2017, 08:58:17 AM »
This thread gets about a thousand views per day, so I would hope that some of these viewers can see the shallow arguments of non believers which reduce human beings to mere biological machines driven entirely by the uncontrollable forces of nature.
And you've provided better, have you?

The fact is that some people are not as terrified as you are of being a biological machine driven by the forces of nature - or indeed not terrified at all. You may be - in fact are - but that's your problem based on the nonsensical twaddle dinned into you before developing a capacity for rational thought (a capacity still absent), along with your manifest inability to offer a sound, cogent, coherent evidence-based alternative. As I said before: pitiable white noise.

It's a huge pity that at your age - whatever that may be - you still labour under somebody else's bad thinking foisted upon you in childhood, but it's probably too late for you now. You would have to show not only a curiosity about the world and the desire to know rather than to believe but the desire to think clearly, critically and sceptically, and you show absolutely no sign of this whatsoever.
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« Reply #21757 on: September 02, 2017, 09:06:28 AM »
I can offer no better authority than the Word of God

So no authority at all, as the Bible was a human construction with no input from any god, imo.

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« Reply #21758 on: September 02, 2017, 09:19:10 AM »
Shaker #21,757

What saddens me is that his children and grandchild, apart from hundreds of thousands of other children, are being indoctrinated into these beliefs.

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« Reply #21759 on: September 02, 2017, 09:20:38 AM »
I can offer no better authority than the Word of God

You do realise that for most people reading this thread in Karachi or Bangladesh or Kuala Lumpur or Tripoli that means the Qu'ran ? Or are you operating under a false assumption of the hegemony of christian beliefs thus excusing your habitual partisanship ?

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« Reply #21760 on: September 02, 2017, 10:44:34 AM »
For some time now Vlad your posts, more or less, only amount to hands over the eyes fingers, in the ears and la la la la la la la.

It doesn't matter to me how many times you do the fingers, eyes and la ls's, it's more the damaging effect it's having on you where you never seem to address directly anything that's put to you, I know my last post didn't ask anything of you but you managed to conjure up a little bit of straw instead of a sensible repost.

ippy
Alright Ippy....... What's the most rational thing you think you or your ilk are saying on the Religionethics forum....and what is the rationale behind it?

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« Reply #21761 on: September 02, 2017, 10:48:19 AM »
Shaker #21,757

What saddens me is that his children and grandchild, apart from hundreds of thousands of other children, are being indoctrinated into these beliefs.
I think a statement like that marks you down as someone who thinks from the view point of a bygone age.

Only the Forum antitheists could argue a contradictory world of both atheism on a victory march (Ippy) and labouring under mass religious indoctrination at the same time.
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« Reply #21762 on: September 02, 2017, 11:54:41 AM »
Alan, I can't see where you have answered my point. Can you explain please or have another try?
I can't always give the answer you want because either I do not have the knowledge or there may be no definitive answer available on matters of spirituality.  So I offer a response which I consider helpful, though it may not fully answer the point you make.

On reading the New Testament you will find that Jesus rarely gives a direct answer to questions put to Him.  What He does is respond with what is needed rather than the answer which is wanted.
The truth will set you free  - John 8:32
Truth is not an abstraction, but a person - Edith Stein
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« Reply #21763 on: September 02, 2017, 11:58:06 AM »
I can't always give the answer you want because either I do not have the knowledge or there may be no definitive answer available on matters of spirituality.  So I offer a response which I consider helpful, though it may not fully answer the point you make.

On reading the New Testament you will find that Jesus rarely gives a direct answer to questions put to Him.  What He does is respond with what is needed rather than the answer which is wanted.

And that is good?

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« Reply #21764 on: September 02, 2017, 11:59:25 AM »

The fact is that some people are not as terrified as you are of being a biological machine driven by the forces of nature - or indeed not terrified at all.
The concept of being driven by the forces of nature does not terrify me.
It is just that I know that am in control - not the uncontrollable forces of nature.

You may try to class this as personal incredulity - but the paradox is that to have personal incredulity, I need to be in control!
The truth will set you free  - John 8:32
Truth is not an abstraction, but a person - Edith Stein
Free will, though it makes evil possible, is also the only thing that makes possible any love or goodness or joy worth having. - CS Lewis
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« Reply #21765 on: September 02, 2017, 12:02:24 PM »
And that is good?
Against mere assertion? Why not?

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« Reply #21766 on: September 02, 2017, 12:07:00 PM »
- but the paradox is that to have personal incredulity, I need to be in control!
No you don't. All you need is the illusion of being in control.
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« Reply #21767 on: September 02, 2017, 12:12:06 PM »
On reading the New Testament you will find that Jesus rarely gives a direct answer to questions put to Him.  What He does is respond with what is needed rather than the answer which is wanted.
Perhaps it is time for a reminder that no-one knows for certain if there was (a) a particular person called Jesus, and (b) you should remember that every single word SUPPOSEDLY said by Jesus has gone through oral transitions and countless transcribings before it got to you. The people who reported these SUPPOSED words probably believed strongly that they were correct but zero evidence exists to back this up.
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« Reply #21768 on: September 02, 2017, 12:18:36 PM »
I can't always give the answer you want because either I do not have the knowledge or there may be no definitive answer available on matters of spirituality.  So I offer a response which I consider helpful, though it may not fully answer the point you make.

On reading the New Testament you will find that Jesus rarely gives a direct answer to questions put to Him.  What He does is respond with what is needed rather than the answer which is wanted.

I'm not asking Jesus I'm asking you.

So you quoted scripture to make a point which says God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son but can't answer my point about how does a 'short term loan' constitute a sign of love. You posted the quote to make a point so surely can explain.

I'm not trying to catch you out Alan. I really don't understand.

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« Reply #21769 on: September 02, 2017, 12:22:09 PM »
I'm not asking Jesus I'm asking you.

So you quoted scripture to make a point which says God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son but can't answer my point about how does a 'short term loan' constitute a sign of love. You posted the quote to make a point so surely can explain.

I'm not trying to catch you out Alan. I really don't understand.
You may look upon it as a short term loan.
I see it as God's gift of eternal salvation.
The truth will set you free  - John 8:32
Truth is not an abstraction, but a person - Edith Stein
Free will, though it makes evil possible, is also the only thing that makes possible any love or goodness or joy worth having. - CS Lewis
Joy is the Gigantic Secret of Christians - GK Chesterton

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« Reply #21770 on: September 02, 2017, 12:27:41 PM »
No you don't. All you need is the illusion of being in control.
So if nature gives me the illusion of what is being classed as personal incredulity - how can it possibly be personal if nature is in control?
The truth will set you free  - John 8:32
Truth is not an abstraction, but a person - Edith Stein
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« Reply #21771 on: September 02, 2017, 12:35:55 PM »
Perhaps it is time for a reminder that no-one knows for certain if there was (a) a particular person called Jesus, and (b) you should remember that every single word SUPPOSEDLY said by Jesus has gone through oral transitions and countless transcribings before it got to you. The people who reported these SUPPOSED words probably believed strongly that they were correct but zero evidence exists to back this up.
Oh dear another evolutionist trying to suggest that evolution causes bad things.
It can only be a matter of time before such persons declare religion to be a virus.

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« Reply #21772 on: September 02, 2017, 12:42:35 PM »
The concept of being driven by the forces of nature does not terrify me.
I don't believe you. The sheer amount of time and energy you put into repeating your mantra (free will ... spiritual soul ... biological machines ... uncontrolled forces of nature ... yadda yadda yadda) says otherwise.
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It is just that I know that am in control - not the uncontrollable forces of nature.
No you don't; that is what you believe because you prefer it to be the case.
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« Reply #21773 on: September 02, 2017, 12:49:36 PM »
Perhaps it is time for a reminder that no-one knows for certain if there was (a) a particular person called Jesus, and (b) you should remember that every single word SUPPOSEDLY said by Jesus has gone through oral transitions and countless transcribings before it got to you. The people who reported these SUPPOSED words probably believed strongly that they were correct but zero evidence exists to back this up.
If parts of your post are correct it could mean that a mythological Jesus could be the product of time or that the notion of Jesus being a street conjuror could be a product of mutation or any other modern revisionist statement.

Also countless transcribings? I doubt you have or would apply this to other and earlier documents of say Greek or Roman or Jewish providence. I sense the genetic fallacy at work here.

That there is zero evidence of an early community which believed that Jesus said certain things which are later apparent in the Gospels has little historical backing.

In any case your clain of Zero evidence is a positive assertion and we wait eagerly  for your justification

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« Reply #21774 on: September 02, 2017, 12:49:59 PM »
So if nature gives me the illusion of what is being classed as personal incredulity - how can it possibly be personal if nature is in control?
Becsuse it is unique to you i.e. personal.
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