Searching for GOD...

[torridon]

But unlike the apples, the physicist has no definitive explanation for how our conscious awareness works or what it comprises.  All we have is correlation of brain activity, but this correlation does not define the properties of conscious awareness.  To draw conclusions from this little knowledge is not valid.  The spiritual properties of our conscious awareness and free thinking are beyond human scientific investigation.

We don't have definitive explanations for anything.  Even that physicist has no definitive explanation of gravity yet that doesn't stop us form putting satellites into orbit.  We work with the best knowledge currently to hand; likewise with conscious experience, of course we do not fully understand it, we perhaps never will, but that shouldn't blind us to the insights that we have acquired to date. As we speak, there is a startup in Cambridge working on a human implantable USB port, initially intended with smart prosthetics in mind and none of this thought control technology would attract funding had we no insight into the material basis of thoughts.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

We don't have definitive explanations for anything.  Even that physicist has no definitive explanation of gravity

And yet some demand definitive explanations of God.

[floo]

Not if we have been given the freedom to avoid these consequences if we so wish.

That is not freedom that is a nasty threat, totally unjustified as there is no verifiable evidence that god exists.

[Sebastian Toe]

And yet some demand definitive explanations of God.

And yet some, who claim to have had contact with said God, give no meaningful explanations at all........

[Walt Zingmatilder]

And yet some, who claim to have had contact with said God, give no meaningful explanations at all........

Hypobole.

[floo]

Hypobole.

Sez the expert in the art of hyperbole, even if you can't spell it.

[Alan Burns]

We don't have definitive explanations for anything.  Even that physicist has no definitive explanation of gravity yet that doesn't stop us form putting satellites into orbit.  We work with the best knowledge currently to hand; likewise with conscious experience, of course we do not fully understand it, we perhaps never will, but that shouldn't blind us to the insights that we have acquired to date. As we speak, there is a startup in Cambridge working on a human implantable USB port, initially intended with smart prosthetics in mind and none of this thought control technology would attract funding had we no insight into the material basis of thoughts.

The properties of gravity are well known and can easily be demonstrated and used anywhere.  Not so with human conscious awareness, the properties of which can only exist in human beings.

[Shaker]

Aw, look at the special little cupcake.

[floo]

The properties of gravity are well known and can easily be demonstrated and used anywhere.  Not so with human conscious awareness, the properties of which can only exist in human beings.

Animals of other species have conscious awareness too. In humans it might be more developed, but why you attribute it to gifts bestowed by god, instead of nature, goodness only knows.

[Shaker]

Animals of other species have conscious awareness too, humans might be more developed, but why you attribute that to gifts bestowed by god, instead of nature, goodness only knows.

Because of his desperate wish not to belong to the animal kingdom.

[floo]

Because of his desperate wish not to belong to the animal kingdom.

Maybe he would have thought differently when swinging through the trees with our ancestors.

[Shaker]

Maybe he would have thought differently when swinging through the trees with our ancestors.

Well let's face it, intellectually he's still at that stage now.

[Sebastian Toe]

Hypobole.

Nope.
Understatement perhaps.

[Sebastian Toe]

The properties of gravity are well known and can easily be demonstrated and used anywhere.  Not so with human conscious awareness, the properties of which can only exist in human beings.

Is that a bit like, chimpanzee conscious awareness, whose properties can only exist in chimpanzees?

[Alan Burns]

Well let's face it, intellectually he's still at that stage now.

As a fellow Christian once said to me - when all else fails and they can't produce an effective response, they will resort to ridicule.

[Gordon]

As a fellow Christian once said to me - when all else fails and they can't produce an effective response, they will resort to ridicule.

Sometimes, Alan, ridicule is a perfectly reasonable response since you seem to be permanently wedded to the range of fallacious reasoning errors you consistently make even after these are pointed out to you.

[bluehillside Retd.]

AB,

As a fellow Christian once said to me - when all else fails and they can't produce an effective response, they will resort to ridicule.

Your problem Alan isn't that "they" can't produce an effective response, it's that you don't understand why it is an effective response. Just ignoring the arguments that undo you doesn't in other words make them go away. 

[Alan Burns]

Sometimes, Alan, ridicule is a perfectly reasonable response since you seem to be permanently wedded to the range of fallacious reasoning errors you consistently make even after these are pointed out to you.

I think comparing my intellect to that of a chimpanzee swinging through the trees is a step too far.

[ippy]

As a fellow Christian once said to me - when all else fails and they can't produce an effective response, they will resort to ridicule.

Alan I was wondering if you've noticed the sheer number of catch-22 elements/arguments that have been built in to securely retain you all within in the fold and I wondered if you had ever paused to take some serious thoughts about them? I wouldn't have thought they were there by accident.

This he, she or it god idea of yours can't be feeling that secure if he, she or it feels the need to insert so many protective measures within he, she or its literature, only if this figure idea inside your head is so powerful what is it he, she or it so worried about, he, she or it only has to metaphorically wave a wand and any problem whatever it might be is solved?

ippy   

[Sebastian Toe]

I think comparing my intellect to that of a chimpanzee swinging through the trees is a step too far.

I dont think anyone actually did that though.
Did your soul misinterpret that?

[ippy]

I think comparing my intellect to that of a chimpanzee swinging through the trees is a step too far.

I really don't think you realise how heavily indoctrinated you are into that religious stuff Alan, the weight of your indoctrination sticks out like a sore thumb, in more or less everything you write.

ippy

[Shaker]

As a fellow Christian once said to me - when all else fails and they can't produce an effective response, they will resort to ridicule.

And as a far greater intellect than either once said: "Ridicule is the only weapon that can be used against unintelligible propositions."

Propositions such as yours, basically.

[Shaker]

I think comparing my intellect to that of a chimpanzee swinging through the trees is a step too far.

To the worldwide population of Pan troglodytes I retract my comment and offer an unqualified and unreserved apology.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

To the worldwide population of Pan troglodytes I retract my comment and offer an unqualified and unreserved apology.

Chimps? can't trust the bastards.

[floo]

I think comparing my intellect to that of a chimpanzee swinging through the trees is a step too far.

I didn't compare your present day intellect to that of a monkey, although some apes are considered to be quite intelligent like the ones who make and use primitive tools. Back in the day, I doubt what went on to be the human animal was very different to our monkey cousins.