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So in the physical scenario there can be no us, or we or you or me in control - only inevitable uncontrollable reactions. For any of us to exist as creative human beings, the me's and you's must exist as non physical entities with the power to control.
Who violated nature?
The greater hostility is not from nature but humanity........which has wrought havoc on nature and on itself. Torridon is wrong.
I didn't say 'nature', but the universe. If the universe is hostile to life, then why did God create it?
Ah, Here is where I refer to Sean Carroll. We don't know, according to Carroll in a refutation of fine tuning for life, what conditions are necessary for life. Carroll trumps Torridon and the assumption that the universe is hostile to life.
It's not my position that the universe is hostile to life.
Flawed thinking.A non-physical entity would not be able to control anything physical. How do you think a wrestling match between an 18st bloke and a ghost would go ?
It's not my position that the universe is hostile to life. That belongs to Alan, and my comment was aimed at him.
If there is an omnipotent, omniscient creator, then it is omni-responsible too. Quite literally, nothing can happen that isn't its fault.
But allowing entities to exist with their own power of free will leads to the inevitable consequence that some of these entities will use their free will to perpetrate evil rather than good by going against the will of their Creator. God must allow this to happen for free will beings to exist, but God is not directly to blame for the evil they do.
To have control in any form, you need a source for that control. So this source must have the power to initiate a controlling event. In a physically deterministic scenario involving only material reactions to previous events, there can be no defining source event to initiate a controlling command. In this scenario, everything is just uncontrollable reactions to previous events.So in the physical scenario there can be no us, or we or you or me in control - only inevitable uncontrollable reactions. For any of us to exist as creative human beings, the me's and you's must exist as non physical entities with the power to control.
It all comes down to faith that our Creator made Himself known to us in the form of Jesus Christ, and it is the only credible explanation I can see for our existence.
Well, my pancreas controls blood sugar levels. I suppose AB will say that's a reaction, not control. Or, as enki just said, for AB, control = intelligence. So we get the illuminating idea that intelligent control involves intelligence.
I did not mention hostile in my recent posts - just indifferent, implying that unguided forces in nature are aimless and purposeless. But we do not see the big picture - we may not realise just why some aspects of nature seem hostile to life. There are many things which I do not understand or seem illogical. But I trust that God knows best because I know without any doubt that He loves us all. Without God there would be no love, no compassion, no existence - nothing.
but he is directly to blame for creating the Devil and continuing to tolerate the Devil, according to you. No human has the power to do such things, free will or not.
What can be good about a god who created evil?
Evil is disobeying God.
So when your god hardened Pharoah's heart, it disobeyed itself in order to indulge in its taste for indiscriminate slaughter.
God doesn't have a taste for indiscriminate slaughter. The evidence is that mankind does.
