Searching for GOD...

[floo]

You wouldn't understand Floo, unless you're wearing your maximum gullability hat and have allready prepared yourself to accept any old tosh handed down to you by some sort of male authority figure, with the R C's only a male can be qualified enough to insruct you a mere female.

Somehow I can't see this nutty stuff would work on you, but I suppose anyone trying to instruct you with any nutty religious stuff could be looked on as some form of a hero for trying.

Regards ippy.

Sadly it worked on me when I was a kid, and was threatened with hell if I didn't 'get right with god'!

[ippy]

Sadly it worked on me when I was a kid, and was threatened with hell if I didn't 'get right with god'!

When I think back I'm sure I was sent to Sunday School just to get us, the five of us, out from under my parents feet, the Sunday school stories stood as just that for me, stories, I was chucked out for talking once, that set the rot in, guess who got chucked out every week until they gave up, didn't give much of a thought to religion after that until I was about twelve and then on giving it a thought naaa, that was it, since then it makes me wonder about how these beliefs manage to ensnare so many, as if that's not bad enough they still manage to pick up some really bad, sad or both cases; I'm just trying to think of an example of a really sad bad case on the forum, now let me think_______?

Regards ippy

[Walt Zingmatilder]

ipster,

To be fair, he might have a good reason to be away from here for a bit. My guess if he ever does reply is that he'll collapse into faux honest injun mode ("I can only share what God tells me to") or into circular reasoning ("I know I can be certain of God's existence because God has told me that he's certainly there" etc). He has some other bad arguments as stand by options, but those two are his main fallacies of choice.

Existence trumps everything Hillside otherwise things would be reasoned into existence. An utter disaster, say, on a forum where one person had a Svengali like influence over the reasoning of their disciples.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Existence trumps everything Hillside otherwise things would be reasoned into existence. An utter disaster, say, on a forum where one person had a Svengali like influence over the reasoning of their disciples.

Nope, I have no idea either. If anyone wants to have a go at translating knock yourself out but I suspect it's just feeding time again and he's hoping a 'keeper will turn up with a bucket of something.

[SusanDoris]

Nope, I have no idea either. If anyone wants to have a go at translating knock yourself out but I suspect it's just feeding time again and he's hoping a 'keeper will turn up with a bucket of something.

I listened to it twice, but even Synthetic Dave's clear enunciation couldn't make sense of it!

[SteveH]

Sadly it worked on me when I was a kid, and was threatened with hell if I didn't 'get right with god'!

...and have never stopped whingeing about it since. Get over it, for heaven's sake!

[bluehillside Retd.]

SteveH,

...and have never stopped whingeing about it since. Get over it, for heaven's sake!

Christian compassion eh - doncha love it?

You have no idea what harm was done or that Floo believes was done by her experience. If she wants to talk about it, who are you to tell her to "stop whingeing and get over it"?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I listened to it twice, but even Synthetic Dave's clear enunciation couldn't make sense of it!

Hillside, Hillside Ra Ra Ra.

[SteveH]

SteveH,

Christian compassion eh - doncha love it?

You have no idea what harm was done or that Floo believes was done by her experience. If she wants to talk about it, who are you to tell her to "stop whingeing and get over it"?

Tough love, and all that.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

SteveH,

Christian compassion eh - doncha love it?

You have no idea what harm was done or that Floo believes was done by her experience. If she wants to talk about it, who are you to tell her to "stop whingeing and get over it"?

Ive got a strange feeling of deja vu, here, stop whingeing? ah, yes.

https://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/david-allen-green/2011/07/richard-dawkins-chewing-gum

[SteveH]

Ive got a strange feeling of deja vu, here, stop whingeing? ah, yes.

https://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/david-allen-green/2011/07/richard-dawkins-chewing-gum

Completely separate, non-comparable case - and anyway, Dicky D. may have a point.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Seve H,

Tough love, and all that.

I can see the "tough" bit at least. Would you apply this attitude to anyone who was damaged in early years, or just to the (unspecified) harm done to Floo? Just think of all that money we could have saved on Operation Yewtree if you'd been in charge.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Steve H,

Completely separate, non-comparable case - and anyway, Dicky D. may have a point.

It's also attempted whataboutism, one of Vlad's favourite irrelevancies.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Steve H,

It's also attempted whataboutism, one of Vlad's favourite irrelevancies.

Whataboutism? Oh you mean the suppression of the feminist POV in New Atheism. How topical.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Whataboutism? Oh you mean the suppression of the feminist POV in New Atheism. How topical.

No, just whataboutism.

Still feeding time then I see.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

No, just whataboutism.

Don't you have to have a what in order to whatabout?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Still feeding time then I see.

Hillside produces a bag of Humbug.......Yummee!

[Alan Burns]

AB,

What you actually said was, “Having discovered the truth of God's love for us, I know without any doubt that nothing can ever take this away from me.” If nothing can ever change your mind on something, then by definition your mind is closed – that’s what these words mean.

When I asked you why you were proud of telling us you have a closed mind, you ignored the question though and posted an irrelevance about being “proud to witness the truth of God’s love”. While I don’t doubt that this is a personal belief you hold sincerely (albeit one you cannot validate with a cogent argument) it has nothing to do with the question you were actually asked.   

So again, why are you proud of having a closed mind - in this case closed to even the possibility that you could be wrong?

I’ll be grateful if this time you’ll drop the slipperiness and just answer the question head on. If you cannot or will not do that though, can I suggest that you at least stop telling us about your “honesty” in future given that we’ll know it’s a busted flush?

Thanks.

Having found the truth, I cannot possibly close the door on that truth.

If you had a truly open mind yourself, you would surely realise the possibility (and probability) of God's existence, but from what I read of your posts and some others on this forum, the door which allows God into your life has been firmly closed.

And please don't start equating God with leprechauns again!

[floo]

Having found the truth, I cannot possibly close the door on that truth.

If you had a truly open mind yourself, you would surely realise the possibility (and probability) of God's existence, but from what I read of your posts and some others on this forum, the door which allows God into your life has been firmly closed.

And please don't start equating God with leprechauns again!

There is no difference between god and a leprechaun, there is no evidence either exist.

[Stranger]

Having found the truth, I cannot possibly close the door on that truth.

It's an odd kind of 'truth' that leaves you completely unable to explain how you know it, claiming the logically impossible, and unable to provide even the hint of any evidence or reasoning to support it. Seems more like a subjective belief and a closed mind...

If you had a truly open mind yourself, you would surely realise the possibility (and probability) of God's existence, but from what I read of your posts and some others on this forum, the door which allows God into your life has been firmly closed.

One of the favourite untruths of 'believers'. It's not a question of 'closing a door' (whatever that's actually supposed to mean) or being closed-minded. I don't think anybody is denying the possibility of the existence of some sort of god - but there seems to be no reason at all to take the idea seriously.

There is no reason why an omnipotent, omniscient god would have any trouble making both its existence and its message clear to everybody and yet there is no hint that it is anything but a primitive superstition.

I'm happy to consider new evidence or arguments and, unlike you, I don't think I know the truth and that nothing will change my mind. Who then, has the closed mind?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

It's an odd kind of 'truth' that leaves you completely unable to explain how you know it, claiming the logically impossible,

And yet you have spent ages defending the logical possibility of NDG Tysons intelligent simulator and because of your fanatical commitment to antitheism cannot make the obvious links

[Stranger]

And yet you have spent ages defending the logical possibility of NDG Tysons intelligent simulator...

No, I haven't.

...and because of your fanatical commitment to antitheism cannot make the obvious links

There are no obvious links - only a theologically promiscuous, desperate, theist straw-clutcher could possible imagine any.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

No, I haven't.

There are no obvious links - only a theologically promiscuous, desperate, theist straw-clutcher could possible imagine any.

Come on it's obvious that when you transpose ideas such as simulation, motivation, intelligence to another universe from which this one derives it's existence you have no idea what those ideas could actually look like.

Follow the logic for goodness sake.

How would we know? Well science couldn't tell us but perhaps the other universe could tell us about itself.....in fact it would be stupid, as you do, to rule that out.

have you ever looked at your commitment to antitheism in the light of it being one act of denial or reaction to culture shock?

[Stranger]

Come on it's obvious...

What is obvious Vlad, is that this is an explicitly naturalistic piece of speculation that you are desperate to connect to the idea of a god.

If you care so little about what your 'god' actually is, I guess you could extend the term to include (for example) groups of mortal beings, who may well be amoral or even evil, rather than good, by our standards - but I very much doubt many of your fellow theists would agree.

And it's still nothing be guesswork.

have you ever looked at your commitment to antitheism in the light of it being one act of denial or reaction to culture shock?

Your desperation here is good evidence of how theism addles the brain - you are a living, breathing advert for antitheism...

[Walt Zingmatilder]

you are a living, breathing advert for antitheism...

The current wave of antitheism has had it thanks to, among others, NDG Tyson.