Searching for GOD...

[Nearly Sane]

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[ippy]

I'm sorry I don't know what you are trying to say .

Nothing surprising there Vlad.

Regards ippy

[Alan Burns]

The choice is made subconciously and emerges into our concious self in such a short time later, we don't really notice that it happened that way.
No soul required.

This is really not so difficult.

Don't know about you, but I am fully conscious of what I choose to write on this forum - it is obviously not chosen by nature, but by me.

[Nearly Sane]

Don't know about you, but I am fully conscious of what I choose to write on this forum - it is obviously not chosen by nature, but by me.

me being something you cannot define logically, and the last part of your sentence is a false dichotomy. Indeed it's not clear it's different.

[Alan Burns]

There isn't a separate class of determinism, material determinism.  That's what Alan likes to imagine, and I like to dispute.

But material determinism offers no form of control - just inevitable unavoidable reaction.

[Nearly Sane]

But material determinism offers no form of control - just inevitable unavoidable reaction.

Any form of determinism doesn't allow for anything other than that. Inserting the word material as you do with physical is pointless in terms of the logic.

[Shaker]

Don't know about you, but I am fully conscious of what I choose to write on this forum - it is obviously not chosen by nature, but by me.

So you are outside of nature?

[wigginhall]

A spook in our midst.

[Shaker]

A spook in our midst.

One way of putting it ...

[Alan Burns]

So you are outside of nature?

yes

[Shaker]

yes

Well you're a first in human history.

How?

[Gordon]

yes

Hard to imagine a dafter answer than this: and just using the one word too! 

[ippy]

But material determinism offers no form of control - just inevitable unavoidable reaction.

As in by pure chance their'll always be some of us have a far more vivid imagination than others, as in some by pure chance will always be among those that are more suseptible to indoctrination by strange superstion based doctrins than others?

Commiserations Alan, ippy

[Alan Burns]

Well you're a first in human history.

No
We are all spiritual beings, because we have the power to consciously interact with nature, not just be driven by it.

[Alan Burns]

Any form of determinism doesn't allow for anything other than that. Inserting the word material as you do with physical is pointless in terms of the logic.

You seem to have  no concept of the power of your spiritual soul.

[Sebastian Toe]

Don't know about you, but I am fully conscious of what I choose to write on this forum - it is obviously not chosen by nature, but by me.

Don't know about you, but I am fully conscious of what my subconcious has choosen to write on this forum - it is obviously chosen by nature, in other words me.
No soul required.

[Sebastian Toe]

You seem to have  no concept of the power of your spiritual soul.

You seem to have a very blinkered view of logic.

[torridon]

But material determinism offers no form of control - just inevitable unavoidable reaction.

An alpha male chimp exerts control over his troupe; so is it the case that alpha males must have souls whereas the rest do not according to your thinking.

[Nearly Sane]

You seem to have  no concept of the power of your spiritual soul.

Complete non sequitur to my post, and you have managed to fit in a begging the question in assuming the thing you are arguing for, and on top of that it's a thing that you haven't managed in your many thousands of posts on here to define in a logically coherent way. Even for you, Alan, that was a sentence of stunning worthlessness.

[Maeght]

You seem to have  no concept of the power of your spiritual soul.

Now why do you think that is Alan?

[Sriram]

There is no evidence it exists.

Well...you exist!  Just try to identify what you really are. That is all there is to it.

[Alan Burns]

I am fully conscious of what my subconscious has chosen to write .....

Do you seriously believe what you are saying here?

[Roses]

Well...you exist!  Just try to identify what you really are. That is all there is to it.

I exist, so do animals of other species, so what?

[Shaker]

Do you seriously believe what you are saying here?

Do you?

[Alan Burns]

Quote from: Alan Burns

    You seem to have  no concept of the power of your spiritual soul.

Complete non sequitur to my post, and you have managed to fit in a begging the question in assuming the thing you are arguing for, and on top of that it's a thing that you haven't managed in your many thousands of posts on here to define in a logically coherent way. Even for you, Alan, that was a sentence of stunning worthlessness.

No amount of attempted fallacy detection can take away the truth in what I posted.  The physically pre determined reactions in nature could never give you the power to consciously choose what you have written.