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[Stranger]

 

[torridon]

EXTRAORDINARY EXPLANATORY POWER:Dawkinism Alert!!:EXTRAORDINARY EXPLANATORY POWER:Dawkinism Alert!!

Not sure why Stranger uses the word extraordinary here aside from being under the influence of atheist central.


The problem with intelligent design and science is that it seems to me you have to be able to demonstrate, eventually, an intelligent designer.


That doesn't guarantee there isn't one vis Neil De Grasse Tyson, Brian Greene, Nick Bostrom.

Not sure why you would link that claim to atheism.  Most scientists would endorse that view irrespective of their personal faith beliefs.  There are few ideas that have the range and depth across the science spectrum as evolution.  Maybe it is your obsession with Dawkins that is the real driver here.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

There are few ideas that have the range and depth across the science spectrum as evolution. 

There are few ideas that have the range and depth across the science spectrum as evolution: DAWKINISM ALERT!!:
Now that is a Dawkinism writ large and often in the God delusion.

Feel free to justify that statement.

Dawkins fails to remove the suspicion that when he suggests this it is his competetiveness as a biologist with physics.
It is of course another example of pop science opinion wearing scientific clothing.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Not sure why you would link that claim to atheism.  Most scientists would endorse that view irrespective of their personal faith beliefs.  There are few ideas that have the range and depth across the science spectrum as evolution.  Maybe it is your obsession with Dawkins that is the real driver here.

Atheistcentral is a portmanteau I use to describe the repository of New Atheist instruction on the internet and is no more all of atheism than Comedy Central is all of Comedy.


I do not deny the explanatory power of evolution. I object to the addition of the word extraordinary to it. Extraordinary is a matter of opinion and it's use here, as in it's use in the term Extraordinary Claims demand Extraordinary evidence leave those statements at best wanting and at worse useless except for the quasi evangelistic purposes Dawkins or Hitchens have put them too.

[bluehillside Retd.]

Atheistcentral is a portmanteau I use to describe the repository of New Atheist instruction...

Feeding time!

[Stranger]

...New Atheist...

  

[Sebastian Toe]

Dawkins

 

[Walt Zingmatilder]

New atheists your honour I didnt see no New Atheists.
Just that Nice Mr Dawkins and Mr Hitchens mindin their own business and not upsetting folks on account of their religion your worship.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Feeding time!

Sorry. Did I say New Atheist?
I meant of course "They who must not be named"
Ha Ha Ha.

[ProfessorDavey]

New atheists your honour I didnt see no New Atheists.
Just that Nice Mr Dawkins and Mr Hitchens mindin their own business and not upsetting folks on account of their religion your worship.

You are aware that Mr Hitchens is dead, so I doubt he is in a position to both anyone regardless of their religion or lack thereof.

[jeremyp]

New atheists your honour I didnt see no New Atheists.
Just that Nice Mr Dawkins and Mr Hitchens mindin their own business and not upsetting folks on account of their religion your worship.

Why is it that religionists are allowed to upset folks on account of their religion, but atheists are not allowed to upset folks on account of their lack of religion?

Atheists might upset the odd religionist with the words they say, but religionists upset folks by stopping them from marrying the people of their choice, cutting bits of folks' bodies without their consent, burning folks at the stake etc.

Don't try to justify the shit we have to pt up with from religionist turds.

[Alan Burns]

Why is it that religionists are allowed to upset folks on account of their religion, but atheists are not allowed to accept folks on account of their lack of religion?

Atheists might upset the odd religionist with the words they say, but religionists upset folks by stopping them from marrying the people of their choice, cutting bits of folks' bodies without their consent, burning folks at the stake etc.

Don't try to justify the shit we have to pt up with from religionist turds.

Well, Christians seem to be increasingly marginalised for their stance on the sanctity of human life.  We now have campaigns supported by the likes of Amnesty International to allow abortion up to birth and relentless pressure to allow assisted suicide to relieve us of the burden of having to care for our elderly relatives.

[Sebastian Toe]

.... relentless pressure to allow assisted suicide to relieve us of the burden of having to care for our elderly relatives.

Some examples of this precise relentless pressure?

[Nearly Sane]

Well, Christians seem to be increasingly marginalised for their stance on the sanctity of human life.  We now have campaigns supported by the likes of Amnesty International to allow abortion up to birth and relentless pressure to allow assisted suicide to relieve us of the burden of having to care for our elderly relatives.

As opposed to you wanting to force people to suffer extreme pain to appease your love of suffering.

[torridon]

Well, Christians seem to be increasingly marginalised for their stance on the sanctity of human life.  We now have campaigns supported by the likes of Amnesty International to allow abortion up to birth and relentless pressure to allow assisted suicide to relieve us of the burden of having to care for our elderly relatives.

So it is better to force the elderly to endure suffering against their will out of some ideological fixation with the sanctity of life ?  No doubt many such people don't blink an eyelid at eating a beef steak or a lamb chop, suddenly the sanctity of life doesn't matter any more.  So two faced.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

So it is better to force the elderly to endure suffering against their will out of some ideological fixation with the sanctity of life ?  No doubt many such people don't blink an eyelid at eating a beef steak or a lamb chop, suddenly the sanctity of life doesn't matter any more.  So two faced.

I rather think there's another laddy on this thread wishing his posts were as amusing.

[Gordon]

Well, Christians seem to be increasingly marginalised for their stance on the sanctity of human life.

Perhaps that is where their stance belongs then: in the margins, in that they have represented their views and their views now have little traction in a secular society.

We now have campaigns supported by the likes of Amnesty International to allow abortion up to birth...

Not sure about the 'up to birth' claim, and no doubt you'll have a clear statement from them that this is indeed their stance. Again, as seen by Ireland abortion referendum fairly recently, and given the historical influence there of the RCC, this is an example of the reducing influence of organised religion on social policy.

...and relentless pressure to allow assisted suicide to relieve us of the burden of having to care for our elderly relatives.

I must have missed the campaign advocating voluntary euthanasia as a policy aimed at making it easy to dispense with elderly relatives, else you're indulging in misrepresentation and hyperbole yet again.

[jeremyp]

Well, Christians seem to be increasingly marginalised for their stance on the sanctity of human life.

Nonsense. There are Christians who are pro choice and there are non Christians who are anti-abortion.

We now have campaigns supported by the likes of Amnesty International to allow abortion up to birth and relentless pressure to allow assisted suicide to relieve us of the burden of having to care for our elderly relatives.

These are not issues delineated by Christianity.

[SusanDoris]

I wonder whether AB has discussed with his family and made it clear what he wants to happen at the end of his life, and whether he has taken steps to register a legal document that can allow his family to override medical wishes  if he is unable to state them himself, etc. I wonder how much of the final moments of his life he leaves to God, how much to medical staff, and on what grounds he bases that decision, etc. He might then - although highly unlikely - re-evaluate his stance on a person's right to decide.

[Alan Burns]

So it is better to force the elderly to endure suffering against their will out of some ideological fixation with the sanctity of life ?  No doubt many such people don't blink an eyelid at eating a beef steak or a lamb chop, suddenly the sanctity of life doesn't matter any more.  So two faced.

My post was about the sanctity of human life, but as you appear to ignore the profound difference between humans and animals you will never realise just how precious is our gift of human life.  Our ability to consciously contemplate the sanctity of human life is just one of these profound differences.

And can you not realise the inevitable personal pressure our elderly people will feel in order "not to be a burden" if euthanasia becomes acceptable?

[Alan Burns]

I wonder whether AB has discussed with his family and made it clear what he wants to happen at the end of his life, and whether he has taken steps to register a legal document that can allow his family to override medical wishes  if he is unable to state them himself, etc. I wonder how much of the final moments of his life he leaves to God, how much to medical staff, and on what grounds he bases that decision, etc. He might then - although highly unlikely - re-evaluate his stance on a person's right to decide.

I admit I am unsure what I can endure with my own strength.
But I will always put my faith and trust in God who will give me the strength to endure whatever comes.

[Sebastian Toe]

And can you not realise the inevitable personal pressure our elderly people will feel in order "not to be a burden" if euthanasia becomes acceptable?

Any examples yet of this precise relentless pressure that you claim is happening?

[torridon]

My post was about the sanctity of human life, but as you appear to ignore the profound difference between humans and animals you will never realise just how precious is our gift of human life.  Our ability to consciously contemplate the sanctity of human life is just one of these profound differences.

Like I said, a two faced attitude, one rule for us and a different rule for the rest; we're so special aren't we ?  It is attitudes such as those that have contributed to the ecological catastrophe unfolding under our watch. It is as idiotic as it is short sighted.

[jeremyp]

as you appear to ignore the profound difference between humans and animals you will never realise just how precious is our gift of human life.  Our ability to consciously contemplate the sanctity of human life is just one of these profound differences.

And can you not realise the inevitable personal pressure our elderly people will feel in order "not to be a burden" if euthanasia becomes acceptable?

Does "the sanctity of human life" mean the same as preserving it at all costs? What happens when a person's mental capacity declines to the point where the profound differences you tout are no longer applicable? If a baby is so brain damaged that it will never achieve consciousness, where is the sanctity there? What would it achieve to let such a pregnancy come to term?

What about the case where you have to chose between the unborn baby or the mother? How do we preserve the sanctity of human life there?

Aren't the life choices people make part of the sanctity of human life? If Pete says "Bob and I are in love with each other", isn't it a violation of the sanctity of their lives to tell them they can't fulfil their relationship or to try to condition them to like girls instead of boys?

[SusanDoris]

I admit I am unsure what I can endure with my own strength.
But I will always put my faith and trust in God who will give me the strength to endure whatever comes.

Well, you ought to think a bit more clearly and practically about this subject and get things sorted in plenty of time, then you don't have to think of it again. You do realise don't you, that you will be taking advantage of pills and medical assistance as you get older. How will you decide when to stop and rely on the personal attention of God?