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[jeremyp]

I prayed to Zeus,  so which one worked or was it medical science?

in deference to Vlad I prayed to Dawkins. I was sceptical, but what do you know? Maybe Vlad has a point.

[BeRational]

in deference to Vlad I prayed to Dawkins. I was sceptical, but what do you know? Maybe Vlad has a point.

 

[ippy]

in deference to Vlad I prayed to Dawkins. I was sceptical, but what do you know? Maybe Vlad has a point.

Our Lord Dawkins!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I prayed to Zeus, 

Did you find it Zeusful?

[BeRational]

Did you find it Zeusful?

It did the job as I am sure you will agree.

[Alan Burns]

AB,

Just out of interest, have you also convinced yourself that your praying had something to do with Susan's recovery?

No one can say for certain whether things would have happened anyway without praying for them.  You can always presume that what happened was just a coincidence with what was prayed for.  But in my lifetime I have experienced many such coincidences - far too many to ignore and write off as chance events.

[BeRational]

No one can say for certain whether things would have happened anyway without praying for them.  You can always presume that what happened was just a coincidence with what was prayed for.  But in my lifetime I have experienced many such coincidences - far too many to ignore and write off as chance events.

That's because you don understand chance events and remembering hits but conveniently forgetting misses.

[Alan Burns]

That's because you don understand chance events and remembering hits but conveniently forgetting misses.

You presume to know a lot about me and my experiences.

[BeRational]

You presume to know a lot about me and my experiences.

You tell us all we need to know about your ability to process logical data.

You are very bad at it!

[Alan Burns]

You tell us all we need to know about your ability to process logical data.

You are very bad at it!

You have no idea what my lifetime experiences comprise.  All I can say is that if you had witnessed the answers to prayer I have personally experienced you would not be able to write them all off as coincidences.  Many people might write them off because of their own half hearted attempts at prayer which are not backed up with a true faith in God.  Jesus Himself confirmed that people's lack of faith prevented Him from performing miraculous healings.

[Roses]

You have no idea what my lifetime experiences comprise.  All I can say is that if you had witnessed the answers to prayer I have personally experienced you would not be able to write them all off as coincidences.  Many people might write them off because of their own half hearted attempts at prayer which are not backed up with a true faith in God.  Jesus Himself confirmed that people's lack of faith prevented Him from performing miraculous healings.

Sorry AB but your faith makes you blind to logic. Just because someone responds well to the medical treatment they receive you believe it is god who healed them if they are religious, instead of the medics!

If god exists and can answer prayer positively, why doesn't it do so when it is asked, instead of when it is in the mood? 

[SusanDoris]

You have no idea what my lifetime experiences comprise.  All I can say is that if you had witnessed the answers to prayer I have personally experienced you would not be able to write them all off as coincidences.  Many people might write them off because of their own half hearted attempts at prayer which are not backed up with a true faith in God.  Jesus Himself confirmed that people's lack of faith prevented Him from performing miraculous healings.

That's not what BR said. He said you are very bad at processing logical data. the evidence for this is before us daily.

[Alan Burns]

That's not what BR said. He said you are very bad at processing logical data. the evidence for this is before us daily.

I see nothing wrong with my logical deductions.
My perception is that people find my logical conclusions are not what they want to believe, so they look for ways to falsify my logic - even if it means denying their own freedom to control their own thought processes.

[Enki]

You have no idea what my lifetime experiences comprise.  All I can say is that if you had witnessed the answers to prayer I have personally experienced you would not be able to write them all off as coincidences.  Many people might write them off because of their own half hearted attempts at prayer which are not backed up with a true faith in God.  Jesus Himself confirmed that people's lack of faith prevented Him from performing miraculous healings.

As I suspected, pretty limited, this God of yours, isn't he? Can't even perform miracles because of people's lack of faith, even though He was the person who created these people in the first place. So, if I pray for an easing of pain for a loved one who is about to die, and the pain is not lessened, then it is because I didn't pray sincerely enough. How sad, and, of course if He was able to lessen the pain, how cruel! You would have thought that over at least 2000 years He would have been able to obviate this discrepancy in the interests of his purported kindness and love for humanity. Seems He is much more focussed on the people who pray rather than on those in distress. How harsh!

Certainly you paint a picture of your God, who favours some but not others, and then tries to lay the blame for this on the others, in other words a God without a sense of responsibility, in my eyes.

Luckily, as I do not believe in this God of yours, I will endeavour, as will all like minded people, to provide as much comfort and easing of pain as possible in human, caring terms, as we did so very recently with my now deceased brother in law.

A pox on your twisted, hypocritical and ultimately cruel ideas.

[Roses]

I see nothing wrong with my logical deductions.
My perception is that people find my logical conclusions are not what they want to believe, so they look for ways to falsify my logic - even if it means denying their own freedom to control their own thought processes.

As there is no more evidence for the existence of god than there is for the existence of fairies, it isn't a logical opinion one merely based on your version of faith, imo.

[SusanDoris]

I see nothing wrong with my logical deductions.

Thus revealing the overwhelming arrogant conceit which you have, in my opinion,  consistently demonstrated.

[Stranger]

I see nothing wrong with my logical deductions.

Such as? I cannot recall a single logical deduction you have ever posted.

[bluehillside Retd.]

AB,

You have no idea what my lifetime experiences comprise.  All I can say is that if you had witnessed the answers to prayer I have personally experienced you would not be able to write them all off as coincidences.  Many people might write them off because of their own half hearted attempts at prayer which are not backed up with a true faith in God.  Jesus Himself confirmed that people's lack of faith prevented Him from performing miraculous healings.

No, they can be written off because anecdote isn’t data. If you had some means to show that the prayed for events happened more frequently than statistical noise would indicate then you’d have something worth listening to. As things stand though, you have nothing other than “I prayed for X and X happened, therefore praying worked” which is your basic, bog standard, common-or-garden post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.

You can’t see this because you don’t want to see it, but prayer as a cure for illness (or as a means of finding your car keys for that matter) is precisely use-less. For it to be use-ful you’d have to show that that it was more effective then not praying at all, and then build therapeutic models and processes on the back of that finding. Trouble is though you don’t have that finding to start with, and nor indeed does anyone else because the trials that have looked for it always fail.           

I see nothing wrong with my logical deductions.

That’s because you’re not looking. See above for starters.

My perception is that people find my logical conclusions are not what they want to believe, so they look for ways to falsify my logic - even if it means denying their own freedom to control their own thought processes.

Then your perception about this – as with your perception of pretty much everything else – is flat wrong. People find fault with your attempts at logic because those attempts are always false. Just ignoring the falsifications you’re given and repeating the same logical fallacies over and over again does not in some mysterious way render then any less false.

Finally find some honesty, address openly the falsifications you’re given and go from there. Until you do that though, the only reason you “see nothing wrong with your logic” is that you point blank refuse to look.   

[BeRational]

You have no idea what my lifetime experiences comprise.  All I can say is that if you had witnessed the answers to prayer I have personally experienced you would not be able to write them all off as coincidences.  Many people might write them off because of their own half hearted attempts at prayer which are not backed up with a true faith in God.  Jesus Himself confirmed that people's lack of faith prevented Him from performing miraculous healings.

You do not think logically and you are not looking for truth, you just like your make belief.
This is clear from your very poor assessment of the data.
I too have wished for things, and guess what some have happened. But unlike you, I look at all the data not just the hits.

[BeRational]

I see nothing wrong with my logical deductions.
My perception is that people find my logical conclusions are not what they want to believe, so they look for ways to falsify my logic - even if it means denying their own freedom to control their own thought processes.

I know you don't, and that is the problem!

You are not a rational thinking person in relation to your god.  You just assume it to be true and make excuses for the irrational position you have taken.
All your arguments to date contain logical fallacies, which you have had pointed out to you. Do you rebut them, no, you just repeat the mistake ad nauseam

[Alan Burns]

Such as? I cannot recall a single logical deduction you have ever posted.

I find this to be blatantly untrue, because you have posted many words to say why you find fault with my logical deductions.

The fact that you can't agree with my logical deductions does not imply that I can't make logical deductions.

[Roses]

I find this to be blatantly untrue, because you have posted many words to say why you find fault with my logical deductions.

The fact that you can't agree with my logical deductions does not imply that I can't make logical deductions.

I am sure you can make logical deductions on matters other than those of religion. However, your posts on the topic of your faith do not appear logical to most of us.

[BeRational]

I find this to be blatantly untrue, because you have posted many words to say why you find fault with my logical deductions.

The fact that you can't agree with my logical deductions does not imply that I can't make logical deductions.

Your logical arguments are WRONG because they contain one or more fallacies.
When this is pointed out you never correct the argument,  you just ignore the fallacy and repeat it. Often you just do not understand the fallacy you have committed.
I am sure many on here would explain the fallacy and this would tell you have to change the argument to remove them.
Will you try!

[BeRational]

I am sure you can make logical deductions on matters other than those of religion. However, your posts on the topic of your faith do not appear logical to most of us.

Its  it that they do not appear logical they are ,logically incorrect as they contain fallacies.
So it is not a matter of opinion.

[Alan Burns]

Finally find some honesty, address openly the falsifications you’re given and go from there. Until you do that though, the only reason you “see nothing wrong with your logic” is that you point blank refuse to look.

As always, your own logical assessment of reality breaks down with your concluding paragraph - where you show undeniable evidence of your own freedom to guide your own thoughts in your deliberate attempts to falsify the logic behind this freedom.  And you reinforce this error by accusing me of deliberately refusing to look at things from your materialistic viewpoint.  A personally driven deliberation which is not possible in a physically predetermined scenario.