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[Sebastian Toe]

ask Satan

How do you know that he will know?
Have you asked him yourself?

[Nearly Sane]

ask Satan

Holy non sequitur, Alan!

[ekim]

How do you know that he will know?
Have you asked him yourself?

Satan said 'How in Hell do you expect me to know!'.

[Dicky Underpants]

ask Satan

Your implication I presume is that there will be. So consequently, according to your rather fundamentalist interpretation of the Satan myth, the whole sorry saga could start all over again, with another rebellious angel who got fed up with playing his harp.

[Alan Burns]

Your implication I presume is that there will be. So consequently, according to your rather fundamentalist interpretation of the Satan myth, the whole sorry saga could start all over again, with another rebellious angel who got fed up with playing his harp.

The concept of us not having free will in heaven would effectively remove our identity as a separate being.  The free will of our human soul defines who we are.

[Nearly Sane]

The concept of us not having free will in heaven would effectively remove our identity as a separate being.  The free will of our human soul defines who we are.

So therefore given you have argued free will allows evil, there could be evil in heaven.

[Bramble]

What do people do in heaven?

[Nearly Sane]

What do people do in heaven?

All this apparently

https://www.compellingtruth.org/doing-in-heaven.html

[Bramble]

I rather feared it might be like that. Fortunately, it's believers only.

[Nearly Sane]

I rather feared it might be like that. Fortunately, it's believers only.

Basically it's like Butlins in a great location with a good chef and instead of the knobbly knees competition  everyone says god has the bestest knees.

[Bramble]

Presumably no animal life though. Eternity without weasels would be hell for me.

[Sebastian Toe]

Presumably no animal life though. Eternity without weasels would be hell for me.

"Rich food full of marrow" is mentioned. So some animals will have to die to enable that!
I wonder where that will be supplied from?

Unless it is vegan marrow of course!

[Nearly Sane]

"Rich food full of marrow" is mentioned. So some animals will have to die to enable that!
I wonder where that will be supplied from?

Unless it is vegan marrow of course!

Like the one below?

[Sebastian Toe]

Like the one below?

Probably!

[Nearly Sane]

Probably!

Heaven, the vegan Wicker Man

[Bramble]

Since it's heaven they probably have deliveries from Waitrose. Duchy organics I expect.

[Alan Burns]

So therefore given you have argued free will allows evil, there could be evil in heaven.

Those who enter heaven will have freely accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour.
To accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour will mean that you have rejected evil - for ever.

[Nearly Sane]

Those who enter heaven will have freely accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour.
To accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour will mean that you have rejected evil - for ever.

So there is no free will then

[Sebastian Toe]

Those who enter heaven will have freely accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour.
To accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour will mean that you have rejected evil - for ever.

No free will to change your mind?

[torridon]

Those who enter heaven will have freely accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour.
To accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour will mean that you have rejected evil - for ever.

Nonetheless in reality people who have 'rejected evil for ever' do keep on 'sinning'.  The Catholic Church accepts this, hence the need for Confession. If we get to heaven will we still have to keep going to confession there ?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Nonetheless in reality people who have 'rejected evil for ever' do keep on 'sinning'.  The Catholic Church accepts this, hence the need for Confession. If we get to heaven will we still have to keep going to confession there ?

Do you think there may be a difference between going to confession and confessing?

I think freewill in heaven may resemble what the non religious think they have here a range of options which are morally neutral.

[Alan Burns]

Nonetheless in reality people who have 'rejected evil for ever' do keep on 'sinning'.  The Catholic Church accepts this, hence the need for Confession. If we get to heaven will we still have to keep going to confession there ?

We certainly need the sacrament of reconciliation while we are living in this world of temptation.
In Heaven we will be free from Satan's power to tempt us to do evil.

[Nearly Sane]

We certainly need the sacrament of reconciliation while we are living in this world of temptation.
In Heaven we will be free from Satan's power to tempt us to do evil.

So we're back at your god creating Satan so that there is evil in the world.

Btw any answer on why your god thinks finding your contact lens is important while he bathes in the suffering of children dying of malaria?

[Dicky Underpants]

We certainly need the sacrament of reconciliation while we are living in this world of temptation.
In Heaven we will be free from Satan's power to tempt us to do evil.

But Satan was in Heaven (according to those texts in Isaiah and Ezekiel which are claimed to refer to a personal Satan, and he regularly visits heaven according to the Book of Job). He had free will to choose evil. Is the 'free will' of redeemed humanity in heaven somehow different?

[Sebastian Toe]

In Heaven we will be free from Satan's power to tempt us to do evil.

Are you absolutely incapable of doing "evil" all on your own?