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Dicky Underpants

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« Reply #51850 on: Today at 03:15:19 PM »

This is why you can be opposed to political Zionism (like Hamas) but not opposed to Jews in general (again like Hamas).


Hamas not opposed to Jews in general? Really?

Re: The Hamas Charter:

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The 9000-word document blames Jews for the French and Communist revolutions, World War I and II, and for the Rotary Club and the United Nations, “to enable them to rule the world through them.”

“There is no war going on anywhere,” it reads, “without having their finger in it.”

The charter directs the killing of Jews, drawing on a hadith (prophetic saying): “The Day of Judgment will not come about until Muslims fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: ‘O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.’”
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« Reply #51851 on: Today at 03:51:31 PM »
Hamas not opposed to Jews in general? Really?

Re: The Hamas Charter:

See the changes Hamas made in 2017 where they took out the antisemitic stuff. https://archive.ph/aKi35

JP linked to the changes to their policy towards the Jews as well in the Hamas Attacks Israel thread reply #18 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter

The link says:

The 2017 charter accepted for the first time the idea of a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders..... Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.
Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage.[38][39]

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« Reply #51852 on: Today at 05:14:45 PM »
See the changes Hamas made in 2017 where they took out the antisemitic stuff. https://archive.ph/aKi35

JP linked to the changes to their policy towards the Jews as well in the Hamas Attacks Israel thread reply #18 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter

The link says:

The 2017 charter accepted for the first time the idea of a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders..... Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.
Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage.[38][39]


So they don't want any Jews in Palestine.

Nor, by the way, do they want gay people.
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« Reply #51853 on: Today at 06:14:55 PM »
So they don't want any Jews in Palestine.

Nor, by the way, do they want gay people.
I don't know anyone in Hamas to ask them so all I can do is tell you what Wikipedia says about Hamas' new document, which you already linked to on the Hamas-Israel thread, and which suggested a more nuanced political message advocating for a Palestinian state in the 1967 borders and solving the grievances relating to the Palestinian refugees and theft of their privately owned land by Israel.

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The day after Khaled Mashal, Chairman of Hamas' Political Bureau, on 1 May 2017 had presented a new “political document” (often referred to as ‘new charter’), he was asked: "Will it replace Hamas’ old charter?" Mashal answered: This "new document has been in the making for four years (…) This document reflects our position for now (…) The old charter was a product of its era, 30 years ago. We live in a different world today".[38]

 Ahmed Yassin, the founder of Hamas, was quoted as saying that:

"We don't hate Jews and fight Jews because they are Jewish. They are a people of faith and we are a people of faith, and we love all people of faith. If my brother, from my own mother and father and my own faith takes my home and expels me from it, I will fight him. I will fight my cousin if he takes my home and expels me from it. So when a Jew takes my home and expels me from it, I will fight him. I don't fight other countries because I want to be at peace with them, I love all people and wish peace for them, even the Jews. The Jews lived with us all of our lives and we never assaulted them, and they held high positions in government and ministries. But if they take my home and make me a refugee like 4 million Palestinians in exile? Who has more right to this land? The Russian immigrant who left this land 2000 years ago or the one who left 40 years ago? We don't hate the Jews, we only ask for them to give us our rights."

If you want to discuss this further, I suggest doing it on the other thread rather than here.
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