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Leonard James

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Re: Maybe YOU should take the test.... keep the faith!
« Reply #150 on: June 04, 2015, 06:17:39 AM »

No the word of god (Koran) states the Bible was corrupted by man, which it was, e.g. ending of Mark.


Much more likely :- 'The word of god (Koran) was created by man, which it was."

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« Reply #151 on: June 04, 2015, 09:58:17 AM »
How about atheists doing the same? Do you think that would be a good idea, Len?



Just to correct that:  "Yes, of course. I will always take sensible advice from anybody, as long as it's Shaker."

Pretty sad place to be!
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« Reply #152 on: June 04, 2015, 10:08:03 AM »
How do you stop your biases from stopping you realise what is sensible advice?

Give me an example and I will be able to answer you.
Actually, no I won't. You have said you will always accept sensible advice so that means you would need to have some method of determining what sensible advice is no matter what the circumstances.

It seems to me that you have just overstated your openness, Len. I don't think you are any better or any worse than other people, me included. It just worries me when you (and BeRational) make claims for your own impartiality.
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« Reply #153 on: June 04, 2015, 10:09:56 AM »
Don't you read the bible?

I've read it but I don't understand it the same way as you.

Have you read the Koran? That claims to be the unaltered word of god!
But Christianity states that the word of God is in the form of a human being.
I can think of why that is more comprehensive than just words in a book Jak....can you?

No the word of god (Koran) states the Bible was corrupted by man, which it was, e.g. ending of Mark.

Its all mumbo jumbo to me but if you go for this sort of thing...
Actually, the bible, as originally given, has not been corrupted in any way at all. Certain copies of parts of it have been though, but so what? As Ehrman says no essential Christian doctrine is affected.
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« Reply #154 on: June 04, 2015, 10:12:31 AM »
How about atheists doing the same? Do you think that would be a good idea, Len?



Just to correct that:  "Yes, of course. I will always take sensible advice from anybody, as long as it's Shaker."

That would be an absolute lie, and I try never to lie.

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Pretty sad place to be!

You should know! You're the one that lives his life according to somebody else's
advice.

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« Reply #155 on: June 04, 2015, 10:13:52 AM »
How about atheists doing the same? Do you think that would be a good idea, Len?



Just to correct that:  "Yes, of course. I will always take sensible advice from anybody, as long as it's Shaker."

That would be an absolute lie, and I try never to lie.

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Pretty sad place to be!

You should know! You're the one that lives his life according to somebody else's
advice.

No, Len, wrong again.  I try to live my life by somebody else's example.
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« Reply #156 on: June 04, 2015, 10:15:09 AM »
It just worries me when you (and BeRational) make claims for your own impartiality.

It shouldn't. I'm sure most people try to be impartial in our judgements.

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« Reply #157 on: June 04, 2015, 10:18:05 AM »
It just worries me when you (and BeRational) make claims for your own impartiality.

It shouldn't. I'm sure most people try to be impartial in our judgements.
Agreed, but you claimed more than that when you wrote, "Yes, of course. I will always take sensible advice from anybody."
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« Reply #158 on: June 04, 2015, 10:19:51 AM »

No, Len, wrong again.  I try to live my life by somebody else's example.

It that's what rocks your boat and you are happy with it, fine.

I am confident enough in my own judgement to use it as a guide to living.

It works very well!

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« Reply #159 on: June 04, 2015, 10:20:56 AM »

No, Len, wrong again.  I try to live my life by somebody else's example.

It that's what rocks your boat and you are happy with it, fine.

I am confident enough in my own judgement to use it as a guide to living.

It works very well!

Wow!  Some arrogance there!

So, "  Yes, of course. I will always take sensible advice from anybody,"  was wrong, since your judgement is enough.  Which is it? 
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« Reply #160 on: June 04, 2015, 10:23:20 AM »
It just worries me when you (and BeRational) make claims for your own impartiality.

It shouldn't. I'm sure most people try to be impartial in our judgements.
Agreed, but you claimed more than that when you wrote, "Yes, of course. I will always take sensible advice from anybody."

Naturally! Sensible advice should always be acceptable, and incorporated into our values.

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« Reply #161 on: June 04, 2015, 10:24:21 AM »

No, Len, wrong again.  I try to live my life by somebody else's example.

It that's what rocks your boat and you are happy with it, fine.

I am confident enough in my own judgement to use it as a guide to living.

It works very well!

Wow!  Some arrogance there!

It's not my fault that you are lacking in self-confidence.

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« Reply #162 on: June 04, 2015, 10:25:22 AM »

No, Len, wrong again.  I try to live my life by somebody else's example.

It that's what rocks your boat and you are happy with it, fine.

I am confident enough in my own judgement to use it as a guide to living.

It works very well!

Wow!  Some arrogance there!

It's not my fault that you are lacking in self-confidence.

Wrong again!  You just don't like to admit when you are wrong;  so you throw up (!) a red herring.
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It is my commandment that you love one another."

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« Reply #163 on: June 04, 2015, 10:30:45 AM »

Wrong again!  You just don't like to admit when you are wrong;  so you throw up (!) a red herring.

Don't start resorting to nonsense again.

It is a fact that a self-confident person will usually act according to his own criteria. A person who lacks self-confidence will either do nothing or follow somebody else's example.

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« Reply #164 on: June 04, 2015, 10:33:08 AM »

Wrong again!  You just don't like to admit when you are wrong;  so you throw up (!) a red herring.

Don't start resorting to nonsense again.

It is a fact that a self-confident person will usually act according to his own criteria. A person who lacks self-confidence will either do nothing or follow somebody else's example.

Is that why you are so besotted with following Shaker's advice?
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« Reply #165 on: June 04, 2015, 10:36:38 AM »
I didn't know I'd been giving anyone, Len included, "advice."

How's it working out, Len?
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« Reply #166 on: June 04, 2015, 10:37:20 AM »

Wrong again!  You just don't like to admit when you are wrong;  so you throw up (!) a red herring.

Don't start resorting to nonsense again.

It is a fact that a self-confident person will usually act according to his own criteria. A person who lacks self-confidence will either do nothing or follow somebody else's example.

Is that why you are so besotted with following Shaker's advice?

It has obviously escaped your limited notice, that I simply agree with most of what Shaker says ... in the same way that I disagree with most of what you say. That is a far cry from being besotted with following Shaker's advice

Try to keep  up.

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« Reply #167 on: June 04, 2015, 10:38:29 AM »
I didn't know I'd been giving anyone, Len included, "advice."

How's it working out, Len?

The guy is confused, Steve ... it seems a permanent condition with him.

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« Reply #168 on: June 04, 2015, 10:39:16 AM »

Wrong again!  You just don't like to admit when you are wrong;  so you throw up (!) a red herring.

Don't start resorting to nonsense again.

It is a fact that a self-confident person will usually act according to his own criteria. A person who lacks self-confidence will either do nothing or follow somebody else's example.

Is that why you are so besotted with following Shaker's advice?

It has obviously escaped your limited notice, that I simply agree with most of what Shaker says ... in the same way that I disagree with most of what you say. That is a far cry from being besotted with following Shaker's advice

Try to keep  up.

In cricket terms: caught on the back-foot there.  Anybody who agrees with most of what Shaker says,  ought to stop and do a bit of thinking for himself.
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« Reply #169 on: June 04, 2015, 10:39:57 AM »
Never mind! It's a glorious day here and I've got some gardening to do :)
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« Reply #170 on: June 04, 2015, 10:41:57 AM »
Never mind! It's a glorious day here and I've got some gardening to do :)

Excellent!  Have a good day;  go and dig a few more holes for yourself.    :)
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« Reply #171 on: June 04, 2015, 10:58:47 AM »


Anybody who agrees with most of what Shaker says,  ought to stop and do a bit of thinking for himself.

How would you know? ... your "thinking" consists of nothing more than following somebody else's instructions.

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« Reply #172 on: June 04, 2015, 11:05:52 AM »

Wrong again!  You just don't like to admit when you are wrong;  so you throw up (!) a red herring.

Don't start resorting to nonsense again.

It is a fact that a self-confident person will usually act according to his own criteria. A person who lacks self-confidence will either do nothing or follow somebody else's example.

Is that why you are so besotted with following Shaker's advice?

It has obviously escaped your limited notice, that I simply agree with most of what Shaker says ... in the same way that I disagree with most of what you say. That is a far cry from being besotted with following Shaker's advice

Try to keep  up.

In cricket terms: caught on the back-foot there.  Anybody who agrees with most of what Shaker says,  ought to stop and do a bit of thinking for himself.

I know it's difficult to believe that I have any bias, but where I do have a bias is that I loathe and detest cricket, I have no respect of its mainly gamesmanship tendencies to what should sport, I am very well aware of my bias and have to laugh at myself when I keep finding another one of the many reasons there are to dislike this relatively minor sport compered to plenty of other real sports.

I get laughed at by family and friends for this relatively minor fault of mine, I have to laugh with them and enjoy it, B A, I'm sure you can add to the unwarranted derision I 'm made to suffer.

Recognition of bias it's not that difficult.

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Re: Maybe YOU should take the test.... keep the faith!
« Reply #173 on: June 04, 2015, 11:44:52 AM »
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Recognition of bias it's not that difficult.

ippy
If your bias keeps you from recognising your bias, how do you get to recognise your bias?
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Re: Maybe YOU should take the test.... keep the faith!
« Reply #174 on: June 04, 2015, 01:54:30 PM »
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Recognition of bias it's not that difficult.

ippy
If your bias keeps you from recognising your bias, how do you get to recognise your bias?

You notion and picture of the world HAS to match to reality.

If it does not, then you are WRONG!.

Change you notions and pictures until they match.

Reality (as much as we are able to determine it) is the only arbiter.
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