Charles Kennedy and alcohol

[Shaker]

What a miserable view of yourself to hold though - to be actively encouraged to think of yourself as a powerless and helpless victim.

[Udayana]

I think the issue with alcohol, more than cigarettes or meat eating, is that the consumption of alcohol has an immediate effect on one's ability to make choices and one's rationality.

Yes, exactly. It's not a disease in the sense that it just comes upon one by chance - people choose it over a period of time - many aspects of their lives are involved with it. Having extracted themselves from that lifestyle and given up alcohol there remains the possibility of making those same choices again - especially after a drink or two.

I only drink moderately, at most a bottle of wine a week, often none - but I know that after about two large glasses I will happily carry on and drink myself under the table. 

[Rhiannon]

# 25 Shaker, I don't know - I think the power to say no is pretty strengthening. I don't think it diminishes anyone to understand that certain chemicals affect some people more than others and it is better to walk away. We don't think any worse of diabetics for avoiding sugar or coeliacs for avoiding wheat. I'm allergic to formaldehyde so it means (among myriad other things) avoiding normal hair dye, even though I'd much rather colour it it's not worth the trouble afterwards. In a sense it's quite empowering to know what one's problem is and tell it to bugger off.

[Shaker]

The fact that wine, once opened, doesn't keep tremendously well acts as a rationale for many people finishing the bottle lest it go to waste, of course.

[Udayana]

Well yes

You need to go to the effort of sealing it properly so it keeps well over about three days in the fridge. Wife doesn't drink at all, so. for me, best to have someone round to share it

[Nearly Sane]

What a miserable view of yourself to hold though - to be actively encouraged to think of yourself as a powerless and helpless victim.

  I don' t think victim is the right word, rather that for some it is their own flaw that they have to deal with. It is also not an approach that will work for all BUT whatever gets you through the day is fine with me.

[floo]

The fact that wine, once opened, doesn't keep tremendously well acts as a rationale for many people finishing the bottle lest it go to waste, of course.

We have a wine box, which is drinkable for up to six weeks, so we are not tempted to down a bottle in the two days it keeps fresh.

[Shaker]

Where's the fun in that?

[Rhiannon]

I'd think the worry would be when the wine box is gone in two days. 

Incidentally, wine boxes are very convenient if you use wine in cooking a lot.

[Shaker]

I'd think the worry would be when the wine box is gone in two days. 

Depends how much they hold!

[floo]

I'd think the worry would be when the wine box is gone in two days. 

Incidentally, wine boxes are very convenient if you use wine in cooking a lot.

It takes us about two weeks to finish our wine box.

[Walt Zingmatilder]

I'd think the worry would be when the wine box is gone in two days. 

Incidentally, wine boxes are very convenient if you use wine in cooking a lot.

It takes us about two weeks to finish our wine box.

How big is the box?

[Nearly Sane]

I'd think the worry would be when the wine box is gone in two days. 

Incidentally, wine boxes are very convenient if you use wine in cooking a lot.

It takes us about two weeks to finish our wine box.

How big is the box?

http://tinyurl.com/o9c2eo9

[Rhiannon]

And from Newsthump:

http://newsthump.com/2015/06/08/government-confirms-drug-that-killed-charles-kennedy-to-remain-perfectly-legal/

[BashfulAnthony]

If people over indulge in alcohol and then become alcoholics they are responsible for their fate, I have no sympathy for them at all, anymore than I have any sympathy for drug takers! If that makes me hard hearted well so be it. I say what I think; I would feel exactly the same if any of my family misused alcohol or drugs.

Yuck you sound like some of the Christians on this forum.

Who, and in what way?