Food Wastage

[Shaker]

How many people read what's on the tin/package?  You can hardly see it for a start, and even less understand it.  Sometimes it is necessary to go on and on about a thing, till the penny drops.  For many, despite the deathly effect it has, smoking as a dangerous habit, has not hit home.

Aren't you making my point for me?

[BashfulAnthony]

How many people read what's on the tin/package?  You can hardly see it for a start, and even less understand it.  Sometimes it is necessary to go on and on about a thing, till the penny drops.  For many, despite the deathly effect it has, smoking as a dangerous habit, has not hit home.

Aren't you making my point for me?

If I am, then we are actually reading from the same hymn sheet!   

[Shaker]

I doubt it - my point is that the information about fat/sugar/salt/smoking/drinking is not only readily available but inescapable, yet according to some we're facing the decline and fall of Western civilisation not through invasion from without but from smoky bacon crisps and cheap vodka from Lidl. People aren't listening.

[BashfulAnthony]

I doubt it - my point is that the information about fat/sugar/salt/smoking/drinking is not only readily available but inescapable, yet according to some we're facing the decline and fall of Western civilisation not through invasion from without but from smoky bacon crisps and cheap vodka from Lidl. People aren't listening.

Sorry, I forgot, you don't read from hymn sheets.   

No, we are not facing the declone of Western Civilisation, at least not from obesity; but we are facing a hugely significant decline in the Nation's health.

[Shaker]

And yet, despite the Attack of the Liver-Damaged Lardarses, life expectancy rises year on year, we have an aging population (more people over 85 than there are under 16) and a constantly climbing population.

[BashfulAnthony]

And yet, despite the Attack of the Liver-Damaged Lardarses, life expectancy rises year on year, we have an aging population (more people over 85 than there are under 16) and a constantly climbing population.

But what sort of life style, when you have to roll over on the bed to get your socks on?  Actually, at the present rate, there will be more deaths from obesity then cancer before long.  It doesn;t necessarily mean you die sooner, but you die from a preventable cause.


Press Association
Thursday 20 November 2014, 

"Obesity is a greater burden on the UK’s economy than armed violence, war and terrorism, costing the country nearly £47bn a year, a report has found.

The study, commissioned by consultancy firm McKinsey and Company, reveals obesity has the second-largest economic impact on the UK behind smoking, generating an annual loss equivalent to 3% of GDP."

It's a waste of money as well as food!

[jakswan]

And yet, despite the Attack of the Liver-Damaged Lardarses, life expectancy rises year on year, we have an aging population (more people over 85 than there are under 16) and a constantly climbing population.

But what sort of life style, when you have to roll over on the bed to get your socks on?  Actually, at the present rate, there will be more deaths from obesity then cancer before long.  It doesn;t necessarily mean you die sooner, but you die from a preventable cause.


Press Association
Thursday 20 November 2014, 

"Obesity is a greater burden on the UK’s economy than armed violence, war and terrorism, costing the country nearly £47bn a year, a report has found.

The study, commissioned by consultancy firm McKinsey and Company, reveals obesity has the second-largest economic impact on the UK behind smoking, generating an annual loss equivalent to 3% of GDP."

It's a waste of money as well as food!

Those with unhealthy lifestyles have a cheaper lifetime cost on the Nhs than those with healthy lifestyles. If we follow your logic any food eaten surplus to nutrition is a waste you are inevitably wasting food.

[Shaker]

Yes, the same thought occurred to me too - according to Bashers's "logic" people should be on bare subsistence rations, the absolute minimum in terms of energy and nutritional requirements, since even a single calorie above this threshold would be "wasted."

[Nearly Sane]

I think it's a shame that the issue of food wastage has got mixed up with the issue of obesity here. The solutions, even if you view obesity as food wastage, to that and food being thrown away are different.

[floo]

I am shocked by the amount of food people throw away. On bin days the amount of bags some people have in their green food bins is incredible. I abhor wasting food and the only waste which goes into my single bag are peelings, egg shells and used tea bags. I only prepare the food we will eat, leaving anything on the side of the plate (for Lady Manners) has never been acceptable!

[BashfulAnthony]

Yes, the same thought occurred to me too - according to Bashers's "logic" people should be on bare subsistence rations, the absolute minimum in terms of energy and nutritional requirements, since even a single calorie above this threshold would be "wasted."

What about hobbies? Pets? Holidays?

All things that most people do which could be spent on food or wells, where needed.

We all have things we do, where the money could be spent on something else.

Why has bashful targeted only obese people?

Body image and food is already a big problem for some people, I hope bashful Anthony doesn't go round trying to educate unfortunate overweight people around him.

For all he knows those obese people might contribute far more to the starving people than the skinny person he respects more.

We all could take steps to reduce waste, not just scapegoat obese people.

Rose: we could all reduce waste in lots of ways, but this discussion is about food waste:  start another thread if you want to expand the discussion.

Shaker:  where have I mentioned any such thing as, "people should be on bare subsistence rations."?  You are mischievously attributing to me things I have not said.  I quite simply say that people who are obese are wasting food by eating, in large quantities, what they do not need, and which is harming them, and very often causing the NHS  a lot of money.  If you find that hard to accept, I can only assume you are of the obese fraternity and have taken umbrage!    

[jakswan]

I quite simply say that people who are obese ... very often causing the NHS  a lot of money. 

No unhealthy lifestyle saves the NHS money.

[BashfulAnthony]

I quite simply say that people who are obese ... very often causing the NHS  a lot of money. 

No unhealthy lifestyle saves the NHS money.

I've posted this already:


Press Association

"Obesity is a greater burden on the UK’s economy than armed violence, war and terrorism, costing the country nearly £47bn a year, a report has found.

The study, commissioned by consultancy firm McKinsey and Company, reveals obesity has the second-largest economic impact on the UK behind smoking, generating an annual loss equivalent to 3% of GDP, according to the McKinsey Global Institute (MGI), which produced the report.

It has called for a co-ordinated response from governments, retailers, restaurants and food and drink manufacturers to address what it calls the “global obesity crisis”.

A series of 44 interventions could bring 20% of overweight or obese people in UK back to normal weight within five to 10 years, the report says.

This would save around £16bn a year in the UK, including an annual saving of about £766m in the NHS, according to the study."

[Shaker]

Nothing to do with the waste of food, though.

[BashfulAnthony]

Nothing to do with the waste of food, though.

It is:  over-eating is wasteful, and leads to the huge cost to the NHS because of the resiltant obesity.

[Shaker]

No, it isn't wasteful. People do not (and should not) live on subsistence rations as you appear to want them to do.

[BashfulAnthony]

No, it isn't wasteful. People do not (and should not) live on subsistence rations as you appear to want them to do.

I repeat:  quote where I have said that people should live on subsistence rations?  I contend that people should live healthily and eat whatever they need in order to be healthy; over-eating to the point of obesity is what I condemn.  What on earth is wrong with that?

[Shaker]

Primarily, that it's not your concern.

[BashfulAnthony]

Primarily, that it's not your concern.

It's everybody's concern, since the cost of dealing with obesity comes out of the already stretched resources of the NHS.   Try saying "it's not your concern" to a doctor.

[Shaker]

It's nobody else's concern as to the choices they make, especially when - as you are attempting to do - you are trying to erect an argument on so specious and fatuous and utterly wrong-headed a point as obesity equalling wastage.

[OH MY WORLD!]

"Hast thou found honey? eat so much as is sufficient for thee, lest thou be filled therewith, and vomit it!!"   Proverbs 25:16

[BashfulAnthony]

It's nobody else's concern as to the choices they make, especially when - as you are attempting to do - you are trying to erect an argument on so specious and fatuous and utterly wrong-headed a point as obesity equalling wastage.

 

It is the concern of others when they have to pay to treat the wrong choices others make;  and to the tune of tens of millionsof pounds  What planet are you on?

[BashfulAnthony]

 Obese people are eating too much:  that's why they are obese!
Obese people need to understand that the food they eat, which they don't need, because they have already had enough, and are doing themselves no good anyway, is simply being wasted on them.

Stop blaming obese people.

I am pointing out the damage they do to themselves, and the fact that others have to pick up the bill.

You spend money on your dog don't you? Buy a pint down the pub? Spend money going on holiday?, which could be spent getting food to starving people.

Who said anything about starving people?  Waste is waste, whatever is done with the food.   I don't drink, and haven't been on a holiday in years;  not that it's relevant to the discussion.  My dog has to eat to live:  he is not obese.  Would you have me starve him, then?  Silly.

Obese people are no more at fault than the rest of us, you can just see theirs around their middle.

Rubbish!  A very silly comment.  If they are obese, then they are not like the rest of us, are they?

It's visible, like being black.

 Yes: so what?

But they are no more to blame than anyone else and you need to stop victimising obese people.

Pointing out they are wrong is not victimising them.. Again, a silly comment.  I suppose medical opinion, which criticises the obese is victimisation?  Why is there Government concern about the obesity problem?  It strikes me you are in total ignorance of the facts.. I suggest you do a little reading up. Again, silly!

[Shaker]

I am pointing out the damage they do to themselves

Which they are entitled to do.

and the fact that others have to pick up the bill.

Why others? Aren't the obese taxpayers? They're consumers by definition.

You spend money on your dog don't you? Buy a pint down the pub? Spend money going on holiday?, which could be spent getting food to starving people.

I don't drink

Explains a lot

[BashfulAnthony]

I am pointing out the damage they do to themselves

Which they are entitled to do.

and the fact that others have to pick up the bill.

Why others? Aren't the obese taxpayers? They're consumers by definition.

You spend money on your dog don't you? Buy a pint down the pub? Spend money going on holiday?, which could be spent getting food to starving people.

I don't drink

Explains a lot

We are entitled to commit self-harm; and then go to A&E for treatment.  But it's hardly acceptable, or moral.

 Do I assume you don't drink?  If so, that would also explain a lot.