Food Wastage

[Shaker]

Do I assume you don't drink? If so, that would also explain a lot.   

You would be wrong in your assumption. I do drink, but only on a couple of occasions: when I'm thirsty and when I'm not.

[BashfulAnthony]

Do I assume you don't drink? If so, that would also explain a lot.   

You would be wrong in your assumption. I do drink, but only on a couple of occasions: when I'm thirsty and when I'm not.

I'm thinking you are not thirsty often...     

[jakswan]

I quite simply say that people who are obese ... very often causing the NHS  a lot of money. 

No unhealthy lifestyle saves the NHS money.

I've posted this already:


Press Association

"Obesity is a greater burden on the UK’s economy than armed violence, war and terrorism, costing the country nearly £47bn a year, a report has found.

The study, commissioned by consultancy firm McKinsey and Company, reveals obesity has the second-largest economic impact on the UK behind smoking, generating an annual loss equivalent to 3% of GDP, according to the McKinsey Global Institute (MGI), which produced the report.

It has called for a co-ordinated response from governments, retailers, restaurants and food and drink manufacturers to address what it calls the “global obesity crisis”.

A series of 44 interventions could bring 20% of overweight or obese people in UK back to normal weight within five to 10 years, the report says.

This would save around £16bn a year in the UK, including an annual saving of about £766m in the NHS, according to the study."

That doesn't look at opportunity cost.

http://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.0050029

"Although effective obesity prevention leads to a decrease in costs of obesity-related diseases, this decrease is offset by cost increases due to diseases unrelated to obesity in life-years gained. Obesity prevention may be an important and cost-effective way of improving public health, but it is not a cure for increasing health expenditures."

[BashfulAnthony]

I quite simply say that people who are obese ... very often causing the NHS  a lot of money. 

No unhealthy lifestyle saves the NHS money.

I've posted this already:


Press Association

"Obesity is a greater burden on the UK’s economy than armed violence, war and terrorism, costing the country nearly £47bn a year, a report has found.

The study, commissioned by consultancy firm McKinsey and Company, reveals obesity has the second-largest economic impact on the UK behind smoking, generating an annual loss equivalent to 3% of GDP, according to the McKinsey Global Institute (MGI), which produced the report.

It has called for a co-ordinated response from governments, retailers, restaurants and food and drink manufacturers to address what it calls the “global obesity crisis”.

A series of 44 interventions could bring 20% of overweight or obese people in UK back to normal weight within five to 10 years, the report says.

This would save around £16bn a year in the UK, including an annual saving of about £766m in the NHS, according to the study."

That doesn't look at opportunity cost.

http://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.0050029

"Although effective obesity prevention leads to a decrease in costs of obesity-related diseases, this decrease is offset by cost increases due to diseases unrelated to obesity in life-years gained. Obesity prevention may be an important and cost-effective way of improving public health, but it is not a cure for increasing he

I think that is probably very much a moot point:  but it doesn't address the fact that obesity is an extremely serious health problem

[jakswan]

I think that is probably very much a moot point:  but it doesn't address the fact that obesity is an extremely serious health problem

Agree, I do wonder why you made the point that you know think is moot?

[BashfulAnthony]

I think that is probably very much a moot point:  but it doesn't address the fact that obesity is an extremely serious health problem

Agree, I do wonder why you made the point that you know think is moot?

Any debate is open to discussion:  sometimes one side of the argument is palpably wrong, however.  The treatment of obesity is a drain on NHS resources, all the more reprehensible because it is very much avoidable.

[jakswan]

I think that is probably very much a moot point:  but it doesn't address the fact that obesity is an extremely serious health problem

Agree, I do wonder why you made the point that you know think is moot?

Any debate is open to discussion:  sometimes one side of the argument is palpably wrong, however.  The treatment of obesity is a drain on NHS resources, all the more reprehensible because it is very much avoidable.

Its not a drain read the report I linked, your making a point that is factually incorrect and wrong.

[BashfulAnthony]

I think that is probably very much a moot point:  but it doesn't address the fact that obesity is an extremely serious health problem

Agree, I do wonder why you made the point that you know think is moot?

Any debate is open to discussion:  sometimes one side of the argument is palpably wrong, however.  The treatment of obesity is a drain on NHS resources, all the more reprehensible because it is very much avoidable.

Its not a drain read the report I linked, your making a point that is factually incorrect and wrong.

This is by the man at the heart of the NHS, who knows best what is happening:

www.england.nhs.uk/2014/09/17/serious-about-obesity/‎

Having looked into it further, I withdraw my comment that it is "a moot point." The situation is abundantly clear.  The Report you quoted is hopelessly out of date, and clearly, totally inaccurate.  Anyone who believes obesity, with its concomitant problems, is not a very expensive crisis, and increasingly, so is living in cloud-cuckoo land.

[jakswan]

This is by the man at the heart of the NHS, who knows best what is happening:

www.england.nhs.uk/2014/09/17/serious-about-obesity/‎

Having looked into it further, I withdraw my comment that it is "a moot point." The situation is abundantly clear.  The Report you quoted is hopelessly out of date, and clearly, totally inaccurate.  Anyone who believes obesity, with its concomitant problems, is not a very expensive crisis, and increasingly, so is living in cloud-cuckoo land.

Link you supplied doesn't work, 2008 (as I recall) is not that long ago and I'm unsure how a passage of time would have affected the conclusion it came to anyway.

Do you really want to suggest I live in cloud cuckoo land, I'm quite happy to debate the point with you can we keep it sensible with trading insults.

I think obesity is something that seriously affects peoples health and should be addressed against purely for that reason. If you campaign for it addressed on the basis of cost to NHS then if you are wrong will you change your mind?

[BashfulAnthony]

This is by the man at the heart of the NHS, who knows best what is happening:

www.england.nhs.uk/2014/09/17/serious-about-obesity/‎

Having looked into it further, I withdraw my comment that it is "a moot point." The situation is abundantly clear.  The Report you quoted is hopelessly out of date, and clearly, totally inaccurate.  Anyone who believes obesity, with its concomitant problems, is not a very expensive crisis, and increasingly, so is living in cloud-cuckoo land.

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Link you supplied doesn't work, 2008 (as I recall) is not that long ago and I'm unsure how a passage of time would have affected the conclusion it came to anyway.

Do you really want to suggest I live in cloud cuckoo land, I'm quite happy to debate the point with you can we keep it sensible with trading insults.

I think obesity is something that seriously affects peoples health and should be addressed against purely for that reason. If you campaign for it addressed on the basis of cost to NHS then if you are wrong will you change your mind?

The year is important, because it is only in more recent years that the question of obesity has become crucial, and decent research is taking place.

I am not referring to you personally as living in cloud-cckoo land, but those  who do not accept the conclusive evidence available about obesity.

You cannot divorce the health consideration from the monetary cost involved.  If there is not a serious challenge to peoples' eating habits, then the NHS will not be able to fund the cost of treatment without cutting back in other areas.

The link works okay for me: try again.

Her's an extract:

"Get serious about obesity or bankrupt the NHS – Simon Stevens
17 September 2014
The health of millions of children, the sustainability of the NHS, and the economic prosperity of Britain all now depend on a radical upgrade in prevention and public health, the Chief Executive of NHS England tells the annual conference of Public Health England in Coventry today.

Simon Stevens points to the fact that nearly one-in-five secondary school aged children are obese, as are a quarter of adults – up from just 15 per cent twenty years ago. Unchecked, the result will inevitably be a huge rise in avoidable illness and disability, including many cases of type 2 diabetes which Diabetes UK estimate already costs the NHS around £9 billion a year.

“Obesity is the new smoking, and it represents a slow-motion car crash in terms of avoidable illness and rising health care costs,” Stevens says. “If as a nation we keep piling on the pounds around the waistline, we’ll be piling on the pounds in terms of future taxes needed just to keep the NHS afloat."   

 

[jakswan]

The year is important, because it is only in more recent years that the question of obesity has become crucial, and decent research is taking place.

I am not referring to you personally as living in cloud-cckoo land, but those  who do not accept the conclusive evidence available about obesity.

You cannot divorce the health consideration from the monetary cost involved.  If there is not a serious challenge to peoples' eating habits, then the NHS will not be able to fund the cost of treatment without cutting back in other areas.

The link works okay for me: try again.

Her's an extract:

"Get serious about obesity or bankrupt the NHS – Simon Stevens
17 September 2014
The health of millions of children, the sustainability of the NHS, and the economic prosperity of Britain all now depend on a radical upgrade in prevention and public health, the Chief Executive of NHS England tells the annual conference of Public Health England in Coventry today.

Simon Stevens points to the fact that nearly one-in-five secondary school aged children are obese, as are a quarter of adults – up from just 15 per cent twenty years ago. Unchecked, the result will inevitably be a huge rise in avoidable illness and disability, including many cases of type 2 diabetes which Diabetes UK estimate already costs the NHS around £9 billion a year.

“Obesity is the new smoking, and it represents a slow-motion car crash in terms of avoidable illness and rising health care costs,” Stevens says. “If as a nation we keep piling on the pounds around the waistline, we’ll be piling on the pounds in terms of future taxes needed just to keep the NHS afloat."   

Fair enough will accept your quote and not going to claim I know more than Simon Stevens, however being alive inevitably leads to illness and disability, if you are fat now / die young or slim now / die old the lifetime cost is the same.

What will be next 'being old' is the 'new smoking'.

[BashfulAnthony]

The year is important, because it is only in more recent years that the question of obesity has become crucial, and decent research is taking place.

I am not referring to you personally as living in cloud-cckoo land, but those  who do not accept the conclusive evidence available about obesity.

You cannot divorce the health consideration from the monetary cost involved.  If there is not a serious challenge to peoples' eating habits, then the NHS will not be able to fund the cost of treatment without cutting back in other areas.

The link works okay for me: try again.

Her's an extract:

"Get serious about obesity or bankrupt the NHS – Simon Stevens
17 September 2014
The health of millions of children, the sustainability of the NHS, and the economic prosperity of Britain all now depend on a radical upgrade in prevention and public health, the Chief Executive of NHS England tells the annual conference of Public Health England in Coventry today.

Simon Stevens points to the fact that nearly one-in-five secondary school aged children are obese, as are a quarter of adults – up from just 15 per cent twenty years ago. Unchecked, the result will inevitably be a huge rise in avoidable illness and disability, including many cases of type 2 diabetes which Diabetes UK estimate already costs the NHS around £9 billion a year.

“Obesity is the new smoking, and it represents a slow-motion car crash in terms of avoidable illness and rising health care costs,” Stevens says. “If as a nation we keep piling on the pounds around the waistline, we’ll be piling on the pounds in terms of future taxes needed just to keep the NHS afloat."   

Fair enough will accept your quote and not going to claim I know more than Simon Stevens, however being alive inevitably leads to illness and disability, if you are fat now / die young or slim now / die old the lifetime cost is the same.

What will be next 'being old' is the 'new smoking'.

That wouldn't in the least surprise me.  There is anecdotal evidence now that the elderly are sometimes given less attention than younger patients. If so, that is almost certainly I think, a result of financial considerations.

[floo]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-40502403/nathan-s-hot-dog-eating-contest-man-eats-72-frankfurters

Food wastage and then some, how awful when people are starving. These, 'eating as much as you can in a given time', competitions should be outlawed as being socially unacceptable, imo.

[Nearly Sane]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-40502403/nathan-s-hot-dog-eating-contest-man-eats-72-frankfurters

Food wastage and then some, how awful when people are starving. These, 'eating as much as you can in a given time', competitions should be outlawed as being socially unacceptable, imo.

That bit at the end of Braveheart where mad Mel shouts out 'Frrrrrrrreeeeeeeedddddooooooooommmmm', you were just thinking his guts could be made into some tasty sausages.

[floo]

Apart from anything else, people who go in for these competitions must be ruining their health.

[Nearly Sane]

They could well be. Just like people that play rugby, eat chips, drive cars.

[Shaker]

... horse riding, skydiving, boxing ...

[Sebastian Toe]

... horse riding, skydiving, boxing ...

....smoking, drinking, ........

[Rhiannon]

Not having fun...getting hot under the collar about inconsequential nothingness...

[Bubbles]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-40502403/nathan-s-hot-dog-eating-contest-man-eats-72-frankfurters

Food wastage and then some, how awful when people are starving. These, 'eating as much as you can in a given time', competitions should be outlawed as being socially unacceptable, imo.

Omg! What's she disapproving of and wanting to ban now?

[Nearly Sane]

Omg! What's she disapproving of and wanting to ban now?

Who is 'she'? The cat's mother'?

[Rhiannon]

Who is 'she'? The cat's mother'?

You are the second person I've known use that phrase in my life. The other was my late nan.

[Nearly Sane]

You are the second person I've known use that phrase in my life. The other was my late nan.

Obviously, a marvellous woman

[Sebastian Toe]

You are the second person I've known use that phrase in my life. The other was my late nan.

Common usage in the east of Scotland.

[Rhiannon]

Common usage in the east of Scotland.

My grandmother was East London born and bred. Of Irish descent though.