Charleston church shootings

[BashfulAnthony]

What difference does what people think make?

Some might have congratulated the gunman - after all, it has potentially helped reduce the number of Christians     What people think can have a considerable effect on their view of the event.

Having the thoughts like the ones you have expressed in this post of yours Hope, wont have gained you any of your heavenly brownie points, in fact If there is a Mr Magic out there I would think he, she or it will have taken a considerable number of brownie points away from you.

Shows up an extremely unpleasant side of you Hope, disappointing.

ippy

"Brownie points; Mr. Magic:"  just go back to your colouring book and crayons!

[Hope]

Having the thoughts like the ones you have expressed in this post of yours Hope, wont have gained you any of your heavenly brownie points, ...

Stop showing your ignorance of the Chritian faith, ippy.  I don't need to look for heavenly brownie points - that's the preserve of other faiths, like Islam and Hinduism - and I can think of people who I have met on online forums like this who would have been glad to have heard about Christians being killed in this way.  I'm glad that, as far as I'm aware, there aren't that many here who would harbour such thoughts.

in fact If there is a Mr Magic out there I would think he, she or it will have taken a considerable number of brownie points away from you.

Well, you're the one who talks about "Mr Magic's" and other such supernatural things.  Clearly, you have a thing for them.

[Aruntraveller]

But still pretty revolting posting Mr Hope not withstanding the

Still I guess you are judging others by your standards.

[floo]

Having the thoughts like the ones you have expressed in this post of yours Hope, wont have gained you any of your heavenly brownie points, ...

Stop showing your ignorance of the Chritian faith, ippy.  I don't need to look for heavenly brownie points - that's the preserve of other faiths, like Islam and Hinduism - and I can think of people who I have met on online forums like this who would have been glad to have heard about Christians being killed in this way.  I'm glad that, as far as I'm aware, there aren't that many here who would harbour such thoughts.

in fact If there is a Mr Magic out there I would think he, she or it will have taken a considerable number of brownie points away from you.

Well, you're the one who talks about "Mr Magic's" and other such supernatural things.  Clearly, you have a thing for them.

As there are so many takes on the Christian faith, it is what you want to believe it to be. There is no one philosophy where it is concerned. Many of the Christians on this forum don't sing from the same hymn sheet!

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Having the thoughts like the ones you have expressed in this post of yours Hope, wont have gained you any of your heavenly brownie points, ...

Stop showing your ignorance of the Chritian faith, ippy.  I don't need to look for heavenly brownie points - that's the preserve of other faiths, like Islam and Hinduism - and I can think of people who I have met on online forums like this who would have been glad to have heard about Christians being killed in this way.  I'm glad that, as far as I'm aware, there aren't that many here who would harbour such thoughts.

in fact If there is a Mr Magic out there I would think he, she or it will have taken a considerable number of brownie points away from you.

Well, you're the one who talks about "Mr Magic's" and other such supernatural things.  Clearly, you have a thing for them.

As there are so many takes on the Christian faith, it is what you want to believe it to be. There is no one philosophy where it is concerned. Many of the Christians on this forum don't sing from the same hymn sheet!

Taking a sociological, coupled with a psycho chemical viewpoint the only solution to people who do these things is to cut off their goolies.

[jeremyp]

I'm glad that, as far as I'm aware, there aren't that many here who would harbour such thoughts.

Who are they?  Who on this board is glad that Christians have been killed in this way?

[Aruntraveller]

I'm glad that, as far as I'm aware, there aren't that many here who would harbour such thoughts.

These really are weasel words.

Can you quantify "aren't that many" for us? Can you even name one. You cowardly poster.

I do hope that posters are taking note of what is stated here.

Vile, vile contempt for members of this board.

[Nearly Sane]

I am often first to kick religionists but the testimony of the family members in the link is powerfully strong stuff. They humble me

http://tinyurl.com/oqc5qdk

[jeremyp]

I'm glad that, as far as I'm aware, there aren't that many here who would harbour such thoughts.

Who are they?  Who on this board is glad that Christians have been killed in this way?

I don't think there are any,

Hope does.  I want to know who he thinks would be glad of these shootings.

but on Internet message boards you can find some pretty awful thoughts.

Agreed.  I think Hope's thoughts here are pretty awful.

[Rhiannon]

Not to mention the misplaced    .

[OH MY WORLD!]

Sadness and joy at the first church service since the shootings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A89FYnCllA

[trippymonkey]

Hope mentioned Heavenly Brownie Points as per Islam & Hinduism etc. EXCUSE ME ?!!?!?
What the F IS religion if it ISN'T to safeguard one from Hell
That's ALWAYS been the mainstay of most if not ALL religions, otherwise what use is it after we die ?

[Walt Zingmatilder]

Hope mentioned Heavenly Brownie Points as per Islam & Hinduism etc. EXCUSE ME ?!!?!?
What the F IS religion if it ISN'T to safeguard one from Hell
That's ALWAYS been the mainstay of most if not ALL religions, otherwise what use is it after we die ?

I thought it was God/gods/the ultimate/the one etc, etc although all of those suggest an alternative.

[Hope]

Hope mentioned Heavenly Brownie Points as per Islam & Hinduism etc. EXCUSE ME ?!!?!?
What the F IS religion if it ISN'T to safeguard one from Hell
That's ALWAYS been the mainstay of most if not ALL religions, otherwise what use is it after we die ?

Nick, it was ippy who introduced the concept of Heavenly Brownie Points, not me.  I simply pointed out that this system, which exists within Hinduism (karma & dharma) and the giving of alms to earn one's salvation - Islam and Hinduism, doesn't exist within Christianity (though I won't exclude some forms of Churchianity - such as historical Catholic indulgences).

Christianity is about relationship, not 'evading' something. 

[floo]

Why is it some praise the deity when something good happens, but never blame it when a terrible tragedy occurs?

[ippy]

Hope mentioned Heavenly Brownie Points as per Islam & Hinduism etc. EXCUSE ME ?!!?!?
What the F IS religion if it ISN'T to safeguard one from Hell
That's ALWAYS been the mainstay of most if not ALL religions, otherwise what use is it after we die ?

Nick, it was ippy who introduced the concept of Heavenly Brownie Points, not me.  I simply pointed out that this system, which exists within Hinduism (karma & dharma) and the giving of alms to earn one's salvation - Islam and Hinduism, doesn't exist within Christianity (though I won't exclude some forms of Churchianity - such as historical Catholic indulgences).

Christianity is about relationship, not 'evading' something.

Have you seen any pompous twats lately Hope?

I assume you haven't got a beard.

ippy

[BashfulAnthony]

Why is it some praise the deity when something good happens, but never blame it when a terrible tragedy occurs?

The congregation praised the Lord abundantly, in their grief.  You do them an injustice!!

[Hope]

Have you seen any pompous twats lately Hope?

I'm responding to one.

I assume you haven't got a beard.

Have had one for 30+ years.

[Hope]

Why is it some praise the deity when something good happens, but never blame it when a terrible tragedy occurs?

Did your children praise you when things went well in the family, but blame you whenever  things went wrong?

[wigginhall]

One of the interesting reactions in the US to this shooting, is that it's terrorism by a white supremacist.   Actually, it's early days to be making such pronouncements, but I can see where this might be heading - that US law enforcement agencies spend a huge amount of money and energy on the threat of jihadist/Muslim terrorism, how are they looking at white terrorism of this kind?

Big problem is that such debates are already politically polarized, and this one will probably not be different.  It's going to be difficult to really analyze the many deaths of black people of this kind, some of them at the hands of police.

[OH MY WORLD!]

Mr. Wigginhall,
The fact is the FBI takes white and black hate groups very seriously. As far as the white ones, it is a fact the government has been hunting them down and prosecuting them for almost a hundred years. I really think you are off base to suggest the US government is not spending as much on home grown terror. Before suggesting such a thing why not pop onto the FBI web site and see what they have been up to on the fight against  white hate groups. I assure that every white hate group in Idaho is under surveillance. I hope your government is spending what needs to be spent on monitoring your white hate groups in your country.

[wigginhall]

Mr. Wigginhall,
The fact is the FBI takes white and black hate groups very seriously. As far as the white ones, it is a fact the government has been hunting them down and prosecuting them for almost a hundred years. I really think you are off base to suggest the US government is not spending as much on home grown terror. Before suggesting such a thing why not pop onto the FBI web site and see what they have been up to on the fight against  white hate groups. I assure that every white hate group in Idaho is under surveillance. I hope your government is spending what needs to be spent on monitoring your white hate groups in your country.

Fair enough.   But Fox News has so far not used the term 'domestic terrorism' about this incident, although Loretta Lynch has.   If he was brown/Muslim, they probably would?

I wonder if 'white terrorist' is an oxymoron for some people?

[Nearly Sane]

Not ever been sure if it makes much difference whether we say 'terrorism', or 'hate crime' or lone nutjob as long as the reaction is proportionate. We need to stop seeing things as simply a reason to say no guns/more guns. It needs to be a properly though out response that deals with the break down in respect for policirg caused by the numbers of deaths in arresting and custody. It has overlaps with racial extension but is not purely about that.

Solutions are not easy but the members of that church deserve our respect and in their gracious offering of forgiveness, awe and humility.

[wigginhall]

Well, I don't think it is purely about one thing.   But it's noticeable that media such as Fox News are reluctant to call this domestic terrorism, whereas if a Muslim had killed 9 white people, the t word would be in neon.   It matters if incidents like this emerge from a deep-rooted white racism, and I think some black people are linking it with the killings of black men by police recently.   That doesn't mean that it has a single cause.

I think the gun lobby are happy to argue all day about gun shows and the availability of guns, but they are pretty nervous about the linkage, 'guns available to white supremacist terrorists'.   It puts a different angle on it. 

[OH MY WORLD!]

Mr. Wigginhall,
I don't watch Fox but I did a little digging and noticed Geraldo Rivera, one of the Fox journalists/reporters has been calling it domestic terrorism. But what that has to do with how much money Obama is spending to fight white terror in the USA is beyond me.