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Alan Burns

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The face of Jesus
« on: June 20, 2015, 07:40:57 PM »
My Avatar icon is taken from a painting by Gabriel von Max who was inspired by the story of Veronica wiping the face of Jesus on a cloth and finding the image of Jesus on the cloth.  If you right click on the ikon and select view image you get much more detail.  I personally find it is closer to my own picture of Jesus than any other image I have seen.  I first saw this image on a school visit to Helmesley church in north Yorkshire where a copy of this painting still hangs on the wall, and it made a lasting impression on me.  When you look at it it seems to change from eyes open to eyes shut.
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Re: The face of Jesus
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2015, 07:44:47 PM »
Quote from: Alan Burns on June 20, 2015, 07:40:57 PM
I personally find it is closer to my own picture of Jesus than any other image I have seen.
So it's a Jesus you've created in your own image, then.

Nothing new about that at all I can assure, you, Alan. Absolutely nothing.
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Re: The face of Jesus
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2015, 08:34:10 PM »
Quote from: Shaker on June 20, 2015, 07:44:47 PM
Quote from: Alan Burns on June 20, 2015, 07:40:57 PM
I personally find it is closer to my own picture of Jesus than any other image I have seen.
So it's a Jesus you've created in your own image, then.
Not really, Shaker.  I understand that this image existed long before AB ever saw it - in fact, long before he was born. 
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Re: The face of Jesus
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2015, 08:38:22 PM »
Quote from: Hope on June 20, 2015, 08:34:10 PM
Quote from: Shaker on June 20, 2015, 07:44:47 PM
Quote from: Alan Burns on June 20, 2015, 07:40:57 PM
I personally find it is closer to my own picture of Jesus than any other image I have seen.
So it's a Jesus you've created in your own image, then.
Not really, Shaker.  I understand that this image existed long before AB ever saw it - in fact, long before he was born.
Alan said: I personally find it is closer to my own picture of Jesus than any other image I have seen, which I understand to mean that Alan had a prior image of the Jesus of his imagination, the Jesus of his own making, which matches up to the painter's version which Alan will have encountered at some point and decided that by a remarkable coincidence it matched his conception of the likeness of Jesus.

The "my own" (i.e. Alan's) is the giveaway here.

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Re: The face of Jesus
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2015, 08:40:55 PM »
Quote from: Hope on June 20, 2015, 08:34:10 PM
Quote from: Shaker on June 20, 2015, 07:44:47 PM
Quote from: Alan Burns on June 20, 2015, 07:40:57 PM
I personally find it is closer to my own picture of Jesus than any other image I have seen.
So it's a Jesus you've created in your own image, then.
Not really, Shaker.  I understand that this image existed long before AB ever saw it - in fact, long before he was born.
Did you read Alan's statement?
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Re: The face of Jesus
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2015, 08:46:04 PM »
Quote from: Sebastian Toe on June 20, 2015, 08:40:55 PM
Did you read Alan's statement?
Yes, I did.  Did you?  He first saw this image on a school visit; perhaps it was the first such image he had seen (I don't know), but it is the one that is closest to his own idea (an idea that was probably informed by this image).  Mind you, in my virew, it is probably too European to be a true representation - not enough Middle Eastern Asian.
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Re: The face of Jesus
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2015, 09:25:54 PM »
Quote from: Shaker on June 20, 2015, 08:38:22 PM
Quote from: Hope on June 20, 2015, 08:34:10 PM
Quote from: Shaker on June 20, 2015, 07:44:47 PM
Quote from: Alan Burns on June 20, 2015, 07:40:57 PM
I personally find it is closer to my own picture of Jesus than any other image I have seen.
So it's a Jesus you've created in your own image, then.
Not really, Shaker.  I understand that this image existed long before AB ever saw it - in fact, long before he was born.
Alan said: I personally find it is closer to my own picture of Jesus than any other image I have seen, which I understand to mean that Alan had a prior image of the Jesus of his imagination, the Jesus of his own making, which matches up to the painter's version which Alan will have encountered at some point and decided that by a remarkable coincidence it matched his conception of the likeness of Jesus.

The "my own" (i.e. Alan's) is the giveaway here.

So what?
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Re: The face of Jesus
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2015, 09:51:00 PM »
Oh, you've been taking lessons from Alien!
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Re: The face of Jesus
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2015, 09:54:15 PM »
Quote from: Shaker on June 20, 2015, 09:51:00 PM
Oh, you've been taking lessons from Alien!

Whatever!
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Re: The face of Jesus
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2015, 10:29:36 PM »
I don't like it (sorry Alan), I'm not altogether comfortable with images of our Lord, and this one disturbs me.
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Re: The face of Jesus
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2015, 01:53:22 AM »
Quote from: Hope on June 20, 2015, 08:46:04 PM
Quote from: Sebastian Toe on June 20, 2015, 08:40:55 PM
Did you read Alan's statement?
Yes, I did.  Did you?  He first saw this image on a school visit; perhaps it was the first such image he had seen (I don't know),
Yes, I did.
 He first saw this image on a school visit; perhaps it wasn't  the first such image he had seen (I don't know),

Quote from: Hope on June 20, 2015, 08:46:04 PM
but it is the one that is closest to his own idea (an idea that was probably informed by this image).

pure speculation.....
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Re: The face of Jesus
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2015, 02:35:08 AM »
Quote from: Alan Burns on June 20, 2015, 07:40:57 PM
My Avatar icon is taken from a painting by Gabriel von Max who was inspired by the story of Veronica wiping the face of Jesus on a cloth and finding the image of Jesus on the cloth.  If you right click on the ikon and select view image you get much more detail.  I personally find it is closer to my own picture of Jesus than any other image I have seen.  I first saw this image on a school visit to Helmesley church in north Yorkshire where a copy of this painting still hangs on the wall, and it made a lasting impression on me.  When you look at it it seems to change from eyes open to eyes shut.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOX3YQMIkU8
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Re: The face of Jesus
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2015, 09:41:21 AM »
Quote from: Sebastian Toe on June 21, 2015, 01:53:22 AM
pure speculation.....
So, my response is no different to yours, Seb. 
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Re: The face of Jesus
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2015, 11:57:34 AM »
Quote from: Hope on June 21, 2015, 09:41:21 AM
Quote from: Sebastian Toe on June 21, 2015, 01:53:22 AM
pure speculation.....
So, my response is no different to yours, Seb.
Which one?
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Re: The face of Jesus
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2015, 04:26:41 PM »
Quote from: Sebastian Toe on June 21, 2015, 11:57:34 AM
Which one?
Sorry, Seb.  I should have said Shaker's (initial) response.  Mea culpa.
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Re: The face of Jesus
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2015, 10:11:24 PM »

It matters not a jot what Jesus looked like.  Why should it?
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Re: The face of Jesus
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2015, 10:18:53 PM »
Some people seem to think it important, I suppose (as I said at the outset) because it somehow validates their belief if they think there's some artistic representation that matches their self-created mental image of Jesus. Perhaps it makes them feel as though it's just that little bit all made up.
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Re: The face of Jesus
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2015, 10:30:00 PM »
Quote from: 2Corrie on June 20, 2015, 10:29:36 PM
I don't like it (sorry Alan), I'm not altogether comfortable with images of our Lord, and this one disturbs me.
I know a number of people who find this picture disturbing, and I can understand why, but to me it is a truly inspired image which somehow depicts the love and compassion of the suffering Jesus.
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Re: The face of Jesus
« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2015, 11:45:59 PM »
Alan what did you think of the picture the children related to, whom have claimed to have spoken to Christ?
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Re: The face of Jesus
« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2015, 11:54:57 PM »
1st commandment... Thou shalt not take unto thyself any graven image..

It has been the reason I have been one for relating God by looks to anything in the world...

King James Bible
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

After Christ, it is clear even then no one had seen God at any time...
But Jesus made God known to us.

I cannot see the need for a picture or image in our mind as God is always present...

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Re: The face of Jesus
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2015, 09:11:42 AM »
Quote from: Sassy on June 22, 2015, 11:45:59 PM
Alan what did you think of the picture the children related to, whom have claimed to have spoken to Christ?
I have come across this before.  It looks to be a very kind face, but I personally do not find it very special.
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Re: The face of Jesus
« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2015, 09:20:56 AM »
Quote from: Shaker on June 21, 2015, 10:18:53 PM
Some people seem to think it important, I suppose (as I said at the outset) because it somehow validates their belief if they think there's some artistic representation that matches their self-created mental image of Jesus. Perhaps it makes them feel as though it's just that little bit all made up.

I think some people are very visual. I think in images and need to 'see' something in my mind to fully engage with it, so I understand why some Christians feel the need to have their own visual image of Christ to lock on to.
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« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2015, 09:35:16 AM »
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Re: The face of Jesus
« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2015, 10:45:51 AM »
Quote from: Alan Burns on June 23, 2015, 09:11:42 AM
Quote from: Sassy on June 22, 2015, 11:45:59 PM
Alan what did you think of the picture the children related to, whom have claimed to have spoken to Christ?
I have come across this before.  It looks to be a very kind face, but I personally do not find it very special.

I believe that is why graven images of anything in the heavens or earth is not allowed.. do you see yet?
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Re: The face of Jesus
« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2015, 12:45:10 PM »
Quote from: Rhiannon on June 23, 2015, 09:35:16 AM
I rather like this.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/health/a234/1282186/

And this

https://www.nationalgalleries.org/collection/artists-a-z/e/artist/sir-jacob-epstein/object/the-risen-christ-gma-1092

And this

http://www.theguardian.com/arts/pictures/image/0,8543,-10204720077,00.html
The image in the first link looks remakably like my imagined image of St Peter.
I find the clean shaven sculptures in the next two links interesting, but a bit too modern looking to be authentic.
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